I think this basically sums up why most men are not succeeding with women these days.
If you look at IG you'll see looks are everything. The hottest HB9's are those with the hottest bodies, faces, and fashions.
Trying to get women to fall for your personality or some pathetic PUA approach is nonsensical.
It may work if you already possess the traits of a young bod model or if you BUY women like many rich old farts do, but if you're goal is to get to sex with the hottest women as quickly as possible all you really need is a killer bod , face, skin, and fashion.
A nice sporty car helps too.
Very few older men who are rich are sleeping with model after model unless they're buying them. Like escorts, sugar dating, strippers, etc.
Getting the body and dressing it is screams sex symbol and puts women in a state of hornyness. 30 somethings will automatically come on and flirt with you if you're a man who can get their pussy soaking.
20 somethings will fantasize about sex with you if you have BASIC social skills that can go from meet to a date to a seduction spot.
In a world where men compete for women if you can get younger women chasing you and you have amogs kept away, all you need is basic seduction skills to lead them and you can score.
I feel my biggest problem was trying to find the perfect mone or PUA seduction product when in essence people don't want you to know the real secret.
Get rid of the dad bod!
Pheromones are still an advantage like any other. The confidence from being in shape should automatically get you noticed, but the right mones can get you relaxed and getting more IOI so it's blantantly obvious women want to be picked up. Mones that favor social skills are most important not those that scream I fuck HB5's with the latest copulin products. You want to feel at ease talking to women. You want women too feel at ease talking to you.
For some younger men who are already in kickass shape and whose whole college campus is in shape they would not profit from this info because the competition is fierce.
But here I see in Today's world less than 1/10 men has a killer body, fashion, jewlery, and look that can turn heads. Think Jonny Truelove. His look alone would pull hb9-10 models like a magnet.
Don't get too big. You don't want to become a bodybuilder who gets into challenges. You want enough mass that you're attractive for sex not a fight.
You know this is yet another bonus of working out. It means you don't need to be the size of a heavyweight MMA fighter to get girls. A toned 180 lbs would do it for most guys without inviting challenges.
I work in the Entertainment MusicBiz so sex appeal is everything when it come to choice of attire as well. Nothing professional for the office, nothing sleezy. Look like Depp in the movie Don Juan Demarco and tell me how many girls you lay.
Quote from: Dsouza on Jun 24, 2024, 06:04 PMI think this basically sums up why most men are not succeeding with women these days.
If you look at IG you'll see looks are everything. The hottest HB9's are those with the hottest bodies, faces, and fashions.
Trying to get women to fall for your personality or some pathetic PUA approach is nonsensical.
It may work if you already possess the traits of a young bod model or if you BUY women like many rich old farts do, but if you're goal is to get to sex with the hottest women as quickly as possible all you really need is a killer bod , face, skin, and fashion.
A nice sporty car helps too.
Very few older men who are rich are sleeping with model after model unless they're buying them. Like escorts, sugar dating, strippers, etc.
Getting the body and dressing it is screams sex symbol and puts women in a state of hornyness. 30 somethings will automatically come on and flirt with you if you're a man who can get their pussy soaking.
20 somethings will fantasize about sex with you if you have BASIC social skills that can go from meet to a date to a seduction spot.
In a world where men compete for women if you can get younger women chasing you and you have amogs kept away, all you need is basic seduction skills to lead them and you can score.
I feel my biggest problem was trying to find the perfect mone or PUA seduction product when in essence people don't want you to know the real secret.
Get rid of the dad bod!
Pheromones are still an advantage like any other. The confidence from being in shape should automatically get you noticed, but the right mones can get you relaxed and getting more IOI so it's blantantly obvious women want to be picked up. Mones that favor social skills are most important not those that scream I fuck HB5's with the latest copulin products. You want to feel at ease talking to women. You want women too feel at ease talking to you.
For some younger men who are already in kickass shape and whose whole college campus is in shape they would not profit from this info because the competition is fierce.
But here I see in Today's world less than 1/10 men has a killer body, fashion, jewlery, and look that can turn heads. Think Jonny Truelove. His look alone would pull hb9-10 models like a magnet.
Don't get too big. You don't want to become a bodybuilder who gets into challenges. You want enough mass that you're attractive for sex not a fight.
You know this is yet another bonus of working out. It means you don't need to be the size of a heavyweight MMA fighter to get girls. A toned 180 lbs would do it for most guys without inviting challenges.
I work in the Entertainment MusicBiz so sex appeal is everything when it come to choice of attire as well. Nothing professional for the office, nothing sleezy. Look like Depp in the movie Don Juan Demarco and tell me how many girls you lay.
100% correct.
So how long did it take you to come to this realization
Quote from: Phero_SA on Jun 25, 2024, 06:20 AMSo how long did it take you to come to this realization
I always knew. In my 20's the bod and physical was my only approach to life.
Over the last 20 years I entered the musicbiz , got into PUA, and pheromones and along the line the value placed on the bod as critical to success was diminished.
I was so focused on being thinner for playing the electric guitar and the rockstar image, and so focused on PUA as that field exploded, and so focused on mones as each iteration of new mones promised instant game, that I lost touch of the basics.
I also worked out in gyms where I could only attend 1-2xweek thereby reducing the ability to create a great physique.
Just recently it was my SO who said how about we expand your music studio into a home gym, you quit the gym and focus 2 hrs 6 x week on strength and conditioning? I thought it would be worth a try as results weren't coming from PUA world or mones since the demise of L2k 2014/2018NOS and AM 2014 and M3X 2017.
I knew the answer lied in simplicity. Going back to the roots I had at 21 while at the same time keeping simple concept of game (Attract, comfort, seduce), and simple concept of mones (to increase IOI , keep amogs away, and help with fluid conversation when first meeting at least), and the rest would be working out.
If you look at IG photos of models it's 100% physical appeal they show these days. No one is advertising their lovely personalities.
Weight training, and cutting up = instant sex object. You don't need to create "states" of attraction, etc like in a PUA approach like SS. The states are created with the body.
People in general in our society here in Toronto have gotten lazier. It is now to my advantage to completely transform my look in the next 3 months and be reborn into the physique and charisma of Don Juan Demarco. :) Body, a tan, clothing, fashion, jewlery, sunglasses, hairstyle, skin, and facial hair. I'm not too keen on tattoos. Add some basic knowledge of pheromones and game for that extra boost to seal the deal.
P.S. My new gym equipment 1000 lb 9 angled bench, is scheduled to arrive today. Planning my first at home workout on it tonight! :)
An interesting side note to add I've noticed through the years is rolling with a good entourage which continues to expand. Now a lot of parties are orchestrated through WhatsApp groups and if you're connected with the right groups then you're in the right parties and you begin to have an elevated status. I discovered this a year or two ago, that there's a lot of group discussions happening behind the scenes.
Quote from: TwistedOstrich on Jul 01, 2024, 02:33 PMAn interesting side note to add I've noticed through the years is rolling with a good entourage which continues to expand. Now a lot of parties are orchestrated through WhatsApp groups and if you're connected with the right groups then you're in the right parties and you begin to have an elevated status. I discovered this a year or two ago, that there's a lot of group discussions happening behind the scenes.
How do you find what's app groups with parties in your area?
In my area theres a lot of outdoor beach parties and I would go alone and become friends with other friend groups and eventually get invited. If you go there knowing that they exist and you be friendly with the right people they bring you into the in crowd :)
Oh and of course using socials/trust/respect combos help ;D
I was in the past fourms for over 20 years so I do find having knowledge in what you're using helpful.
I do have a bit of a dad bod and I've used it to my advantage before, it is a preference for some girls. But I'm big into health so going to upgrade for that reason.
We should probably differentiate Dad bod being tall versus being short. Definitely upgrading helps if you're shorter I would figure. And then there's those that have The gift of Gab, I've seen people that have no looks going for them but having the social skills is all they need.
Quote from: TwistedOstrich on Jul 03, 2024, 01:58 PMOh and of course using socials/trust/respect combos help ;D
I was in the past fourms for over 20 years so I do find having knowledge in what you're using helpful.
I do have a bit of a dad bod and I've used it to my advantage before, it is a preference for some girls. But I'm big into health so going to upgrade for that reason.
We should probably differentiate Dad bod being tall versus being short. Definitely upgrading helps if you're shorter I would figure. And then there's those that have The gift of Gab, I've seen people that have no looks going for them but having the social skills is all they need.
There will always be extremes and exceptions but it's a proven fact strength and conditioning is only a benefit, especially as we age.