There are a LOT of alpha products out there.
What is the best NON CHAOTIC alpha for seduction?
It should be smooth, make your fine motor movements better, make you pleasant and flirty, and make you not an old fart who tells people what to do but someone who can engage in conversations that lead to winning women over. It should be capable of being worn DAILY and be sexy yet alluring and can still be used to seduce (Like with MM or SS) . It should not cause rage or fights. It shoud be able to attract women 25-35. All nationalities, especially european, asian, and latin. It should not cause anxiety but make you completely relaxed.
It should also be good for business and making money. It should work for ONS, GF, or even marriage. It should help raise your IQ.
It should * NEVER* make you lose your temper like some beta bitch or asshole. It's got to be a type of alpha which keeps you cool and always thinking in a plausible manner.
It should illicit a sense of awe. It should help with conversation. Not looking for a hitler militant mix.
It should work in any environment. Work, bars, even if it's not inherently sexual. etc
Forget BW. That one is my worst enemy.
Of course, to drive it you better be a man of skillsets. I'm assuming that as a granted.
It should be an alpha mix that's seductive or a seductive mix that's alpha.
It doesn't have to get women to open me. I should be the one to open them. In the mating dance, a man who waits for women to open him has already lost value in her eyes.
It should work perfectly for business or seduction. If it pulls hot women into the vicinity even better. I don't want it pulling UGS.
It should pull HB7-9.
It should be a mix something a PHD student can wear. Something a seducer with HIGH IQ can wear. Something someone with the brain of a great chess player can wear.
It should keep you clear headed and ALWAYS ready to think in the moment, never keep you in your head. Kinda of like someone who practices meditation. How they're centered in the moment aware of their surroundings at all times.
Contenders?
(Some of my thoughts. AV, API, Titan, VD, AT )
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Venom
I'm narrowing it down to AV (Possibily but hit or miss but extremely attractive and seductive. Not wife material but will work for ONS) , API (Definitely -- as the closest to A314 as you can get -- both ONS, GF, and WIFE material), VD (Emotional connection to lover with deep imprinting -- Both ONS GF, and WIFE material) and MAYBE AT (smooth alpha/social although too much talk, gives of a husband vibe but is still sexual -- ONS, GF, WIFE vibe).
Titan's got cops which is why I left it out.
Nude Alpha is one of the most well rounded alpha formulas. People often mistakenly place it as a dating mone.
Quote from: RussianWolf on Feb 03, 2025, 12:01 PMNude Alpha is one of the most well rounded alpha formulas. People often mistakenly place it as a dating mone.
I get severe beta shit treatment with NA OIL plus a1 (10 mcg). 3 drops NA.
It might be because I'm over 50 yo now.
I always liked NA O.w It was always a dating mone for me.
What do you think of AT, OD or VD for alpha seduction?
I tried API today. Good thinking and writing but as for seduction it kept me IN MY HEAD and got me angry the way a CEO gets angry. Crappy stuff for seduction. Great for business.
APi
PA
AV
DP
Wolf
All S1ck products ( but not TL )
KK, Monester, Alpha Herb (All 3 to be releasing soon)
Quote from: Dsouza on Feb 02, 2025, 11:41 PMThere are a LOT of alpha products out there.
What is the best NON CHAOTIC alpha for seduction?
It should be smooth, make your fine motor movements better, make you pleasant and flirty, and make you not an old fart who tells people what to do but someone who can engage in conversations that lead to winning women over. It should be capable of being worn DAILY and be sexy yet alluring and can still be used to seduce (Like with MM or SS) . It should not cause rage or fights. It shoud be able to attract women 25-35. All nationalities, especially european, asian, and latin. It should not cause anxiety but make you completely relaxed.
It should also be good for business and making money. It should work for ONS, GF, or even marriage. It should help raise your IQ.
It should * NEVER* make you lose your temper like some beta bitch or asshole. It's got to be a type of alpha which keeps you cool and always thinking in a plausible manner.
It should illicit a sense of awe. It should help with conversation. Not looking for a hitler militant mix.
It should work in any environment. Work, bars, even if it's not inherently sexual. etc
Forget BW. That one is my worst enemy.
Of course, to drive it you better be a man of skillsets. I'm assuming that as a granted.
It should be an alpha mix that's seductive or a seductive mix that's alpha.
It doesn't have to get women to open me. I should be the one to open them. In the mating dance, a man who waits for women to open him has already lost value in her eyes.
It should work perfectly for business or seduction. If it pulls hot women into the vicinity even better. I don't want it pulling UGS.
It should pull HB7-9.
It should be a mix something a PHD student can wear. Something a seducer with HIGH IQ can wear. Something someone with the brain of a great chess player can wear.
It should keep you clear headed and ALWAYS ready to think in the moment, never keep you in your head. Kinda of like someone who practices meditation. How they're centered in the moment aware of their surroundings at all times.
Contenders?
(Some of my thoughts. AV, API, Titan, VD, AT )
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SUPER GREAT POST to start the month off!
well worded from a veteran and clearly outlined, thats what im talking about!!!
A314 rev. 29
Bad Wolf
Wolf
Alpha treasures
gonna try API & Posses Alpha and report back
Quote from: Dsouza on Feb 03, 2025, 02:28 PMQuote from: RussianWolf on Feb 03, 2025, 12:01 PMNude Alpha is one of the most well rounded alpha formulas. People often mistakenly place it as a dating mone.
I get severe beta shit treatment with NA OIL plus a1 (10 mcg). 3 drops NA.
It might be because I'm over 50 yo now.
I always liked NA O.w It was always a dating mone for me.
What do you think of AT, OD or VD for alpha seduction?
I tried API today. Good thinking and writing but as for seduction it kept me IN MY HEAD and got me angry the way a CEO gets angry. Crappy stuff for seduction. Great for business.
I'd do a higher dose of nude alpha like 8 drops
I'll try NA again but it makes me rant.
That doesn't suit my style of seduction.
Think Depp in Finding Neverland, or Edward Scissorhands, or Chocolatte.
Notice how he doesn't seduce by being alpha with riches, money, fame and power , but seduces instead with great storytelling ability.
What mones best describes those characters with great charsisma and storytelling ability and can also be sexual ( For ONS, GF or Wife)?
Quote from: Dsouza on Feb 07, 2025, 04:41 PMI'll try NA again but it makes me rant.
That doesn't suit my style of seduction.
Think Depp in Finding Neverland, or Edward Scissorhands, or Chocolatte.
Notice how he doesn't seduce by being alpha with riches, money, fame and power , but seduces instead with great storytelling ability.
What mones best describes those characters with great charsisma and storytelling ability and can also be sexual ( For ONS, GF or Wife)?
Maybe try CAS again?
Quote from: Stride on Feb 07, 2025, 12:16 PMQuote from: Dsouza on Feb 03, 2025, 02:28 PMQuote from: RussianWolf on Feb 03, 2025, 12:01 PMNude Alpha is one of the most well rounded alpha formulas. People often mistakenly place it as a dating mone.
I get severe beta shit treatment with NA OIL plus a1 (10 mcg). 3 drops NA.
It might be because I'm over 50 yo now.
I always liked NA O.w It was always a dating mone for me.
What do you think of AT, OD or VD for alpha seduction?
I tried API today. Good thinking and writing but as for seduction it kept me IN MY HEAD and got me angry the way a CEO gets angry. Crappy stuff for seduction. Great for business.
I'd do a higher dose of nude alpha like 8 drops
you bad mf.... You!!!
lol thats a very dangerous mix makes women forcefully fall in love.
You will not only see it, you will feel it in their aura.
I damaged a few hearts with that dosage.
Super effective and lethal. When youre away from them theyll tell you how much they love you and miss you.
Iniatiating linking up...etc etc
Quote from: Dapppadan on Feb 08, 2025, 02:26 AMQuote from: Stride on Feb 07, 2025, 12:16 PMQuote from: Dsouza on Feb 03, 2025, 02:28 PMQuote from: RussianWolf on Feb 03, 2025, 12:01 PMNude Alpha is one of the most well rounded alpha formulas. People often mistakenly place it as a dating mone.
I get severe beta shit treatment with NA OIL plus a1 (10 mcg). 3 drops NA.
It might be because I'm over 50 yo now.
I always liked NA O.w It was always a dating mone for me.
What do you think of AT, OD or VD for alpha seduction?
I tried API today. Good thinking and writing but as for seduction it kept me IN MY HEAD and got me angry the way a CEO gets angry. Crappy stuff for seduction. Great for business.
I'd do a higher dose of nude alpha like 8 drops
you bad mf.... You!!!
lol thats a very dangerous mix makes women forcefully fall in love.
You will not only see it, you will feel it in their aura.
I damaged a few hearts with that dosage.
Super effective and lethal. When youre away from them theyll tell you how much they love you and miss you.
Iniatiating linking up...etc etc
I know what you mean by lethal, I had posted back in October that I had gotten laid on a first date with it and after the second date she was self proclaiming herself as my girlfriend.
For Dsouza, I wouldn't say a single molecule would do this. I would say SOB is the closest to this by itself. But what you are looking for is SOB and Evolve together. This mix works great for alpha and storytelling, but remember it's very sexual. For me, you have to remind yourself to shut up and steer it back to sexual (if that's what you want). This mix has gotten me laid many times including on first dates but don't talk for the sake of talking. Escalate, touch, steer the talk to sexual, and this mix is awesome. I have only used the sprays and it was 2 sprays each.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 08, 2025, 09:25 AMQuote from: Dsouza on Feb 07, 2025, 04:41 PMThat doesn't suit my style of seduction.
Think Depp in Finding Neverland, or Edward Scissorhands, or Chocolatte.
Notice how he doesn't seduce by being alpha with riches, money, fame and power , but seduces instead with great storytelling ability.
What mones best describes those characters with great charsisma and storytelling ability and can also be sexual ( For ONS, GF or Wife)?
For this kind of seducing (which I usually do, since I am much more a smooth and funny talker than a muscular macho man) I prefer other products than a pure alpha product.
I want to intrigue, to be fascinating, to be someone who is missed as soon as I left. It's me, the storyteller, the artist, the poet. I am an unique individual. You [woman I try to seduce] and me against the big bad world.
I don't want to be intimidating, powerful, bombastic, like alpha products do for me. I am no soldier. That is nullifying the image as storyteller.
(Of course an alpha can be useful in other situations.)
You skipped the part about which mones you loved for this task!
Tried 8 drops NA today. Junk.
Rage. Ranting. Ruined all communication.
I don't like NA at ALL, but if I had to use it I'd do 3 drops.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 09, 2025, 10:14 AMQuote from: Dsouza on Feb 08, 2025, 04:11 PMYou skipped the part about which mones you loved for this task!
Didn't skip it, because it differs from situation to situation and from target tot target.
Sometimes this approach/way of seducing asks for a more social product, so I can first get close (physically and mentally) to someone. Sometimes more like a shine product, so I stand out in a group/crowd.
I would suggest that people use the socials and shines they feel comfortable with. For me socials I like are Wolf, Nude, my own PEA mix and my own TAC/THC mix. The shine I use a lot nowadays is Treasureful Shine, because it also quite often gives my the power of telling people what to do. (As in: that they actually do what I tell them to do.)
I been looking for TAC like CRAZYY!!!
, heard its great as a sexual enhancer 💦 .
I wanna make em cry while digging up her treasures
😈 👸 💎 💦
. Any Vendors sell it?
Id would say D'Souza Wolf + NPA + 10-25mcg A1. Depending on tolerance to A1.
Just one drop NPA mixed in with the wolf and A1 behind the ear or mixed into same app point. Wouldn't want to scare the younger girls away with the high none but still turn them on. Wolf is great for that and one drop of NPA is manageable. Oh and if it suits you, I've been told to lookup sugar daddy sites, they're basically dating sites for younger women to meet established men. Generally just have to pay for first date then get them hooked so you're not on the hook.
This mix is Great for business uses and being center of attention but competent vibe. Almost feels like a diet-AV sortof.
If not that then also I've had good experience with barely legal from PXS. Needs more testing though. Cheers.
Quote from: Dapppadan on Feb 09, 2025, 06:37 PMQuote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 09, 2025, 10:14 AMQuote from: Dsouza on Feb 08, 2025, 04:11 PMYou skipped the part about which mones you loved for this task!
Didn't skip it, because it differs from situation to situation and from target tot target.
Sometimes this approach/way of seducing asks for a more social product, so I can first get close (physically and mentally) to someone. Sometimes more like a shine product, so I stand out in a group/crowd.
I would suggest that people use the socials and shines they feel comfortable with. For me socials I like are Wolf, Nude, my own PEA mix and my own TAC/THC mix. The shine I use a lot nowadays is Treasureful Shine, because it also quite often gives my the power of telling people what to do. (As in: that they actually do what I tell them to do.)
I been looking for TAC like CRAZYY!!!
, heard its great as a sexual enhancer 💦 .
I wanna make em cry while digging up her treasures
😈 👸 💎 💦
. Any Vendors sell it?
Androtics has it, and PXS sells something similar as XSP115
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 14, 2025, 05:53 AMQuote from: He-Mone on Feb 13, 2025, 09:00 PMAndrotics has it, and PXS sells something similar as XSP115
Did you or anyone try the version from A314? (It's not Androtics Direct anymore. AD does not exist any longer.) Are there any reports that it's the same product as the old TAC they sold? I didn't try it, but maybe anybody else did buy this.
And I had and used two bottles of this XSP115. It does not exactly feel as TAC. Does it for you? Did you use it? It's a nice product, though I do not get the relaxation/surrendering that TAC gets me.
When I use my homemade TAC it has the relaxation/surrendering that I remembered from the old Androtics Direct TAC. (It's not hard to make, if you have access to some cannabis/THC. There's a description on this forum.)
I'm curious for back to back testing or a blind comparison test with the new version of TAC from A314 and XSP115. Is there anyone who actually has these products?
I haven't used TAC from the artist formerly known as Androtics Direct, but their other recent stuff has been legit so I have no reason to doubt their TAC. I've used xsp115 only in the bedroom, where I found it inferior to SXD9 and evolve, both of which I believe contain TAC. It did something though. I still haven't gotten around to making a THC mix, maybe that's a good project for this weekend.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 15, 2025, 06:59 AMQuote from: He-Mone on Feb 14, 2025, 09:57 AMI haven't used TAC from the artist formerly known as Androtics Direct, but their other recent stuff has been legit so I have no reason to doubt their TAC. I've used xsp115 only in the bedroom, where I found it inferior to SXD9 and evolve, both of which I believe contain TAC. It did something though. I still haven't gotten around to making a THC mix, maybe that's a good project for this weekend.
Thanks for elaborating that.
I wasn't aware that there is a consensus about a314, that it is legit again. Personally I wasn't impressed by the new products that I tried.
I did not, same as you, try their TAC, so we van both not judge about the quality/effectiveness of it. In the end we both speculate. You think it will work well, based on your positive experiences with the new products from a314 (I assume you actually have this experiences with their new products, so your opinion is not based on "someone on the internet says it's okay") and I base it on my (at best) mediocre experiences with their new products.
But of course, if someone feels that those new products from a314 work for well for that person, good for that person!
I also tried XSP115 in and out the bedroom. It's definitely doing something, but it doesn't do the same as TAC.
When you make your own from the green, don't forget to decarboxylate the raw material for best results.
Well I don't mean to give an unqualified endorsement, only that their products do seem to contain real pheromones/not be a scam. So far their TAA has been good, P83 has been good and might even work a little better than the PXS version although this could come down to better diffusion from the scent package. Their A314 spray got me hits but nothing amazing yet, and the A314 "2009 formula" has been meh, but I need to test it more. Which products have you tried from them?
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 09, 2025, 10:14 AMQuote from: Dsouza on Feb 08, 2025, 04:11 PMYou skipped the part about which mones you loved for this task!
Didn't skip it, because it differs from situation to situation and from target tot target.
Sometimes this approach/way of seducing asks for a more social product, so I can first get close (physically and mentally) to someone. Sometimes more like a shine product, so I stand out in a group/crowd.
I would suggest that people use the socials and shines they feel comfortable with. For me socials I like are Wolf, Nude, my own PEA mix and my own TAC/THC mix. The shine I use a lot nowadays is Treasureful Shine, because it also quite often gives my the power of telling people what to do. (As in: that they actually do what I tell them to do.)
I've never tried TS. How does it differ from Instant Shine? Have you ever got laid with it as well? You said people do what you tell them to do? Would you consider this it's alpha trait or seductive trait? Do they follow you because your alpha or persuasive?
If you recommend it for dating please list age and nationalities of women it worked on! :)
I have to state revisiting Taboo Core got me mega hits today. I opened several hot women and talked to them. I also saw beautiful women in the 20's coming near me to be opened , fully smiling etc... And I felt as cool and calm as a cucumber.
Downside , I felt I said whatever came to my head which doesn't lead to seduction success.
I felt I couldn't be in the moment and recite script.
Yes women talked to me etc but my mind was scatterbrained with it on.
So far I don't feel ANY pheromone has the power to make one a better actor. At least I have not found a single one.
Except for AM 2014 which made you think creatively in your head, then at the RIGHT time say what you had to say.
I found out it had contained an illegal drug in it that had it taken off the shelfs back in the day.
I knew no pheromone could produce that kind of magic by accident.
I decided to say fuck it to love products. I'm going for hb9's and being sweet is only going to get you nice girls not hot girls.
Sweet guys gets used for their money or women want to marry them. I want neither.
So more hb9 fclose products in order but it doesn't have to be SNL it could be ONS.
I can't think of any AV is SNL. What others? AM AND L2k are gone. CAS is for kids in their early 20's.
What would a high DHV older man wear that is seductive and alpha for hb9's 25-35 yo?
Forget API PA too serious .
If not pheromones what colognes?
Bro you have to find a vintage bottle of the AM from around 2011-2014. All you describe you need, that had IF YOU TALKED TO WOMEN. I never had a problem talking to women, so that shit was gold for me. Not going to act like I was banging women left and right, but I fucked at least ten different women wearing 2-3 sprays of that in the leather and steel scent of I applied myself, and near the end of my bottle I would use something else unless it was my goal of getting laid. Just got back into mones, and let me tell you I'm grieving the loss of AM and L2Kv1 hard. (Side note anyone has that shit and wants to sell it lmk).
Now if you're daring (I was stupid and lucked out lol) get the hook up and fucking spend all night reapplying it. That night I was drunk, started with three sprays, probably ended at 15 before a girl from a group I was the center of attention to drove me home, we fucked, and she drove me to work the next day. I know that shit works, but the massive amount I used I probably could've gotten the same with 6-7 sprays. As I said I was drunk and dumb. The hottest girl in the group went from ignoring me to flushed and coming to flirt with me over and over, and the girl I was with prolly fucked me from the selection affect. Not that there's anything wrong with me at all, but I was drunk and sloppy that night idgaf mode to 11.