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Had to make a post about this given the delay. I ordered some A1 to test the FIL combo back in the second week of September and according to shipping, it is supposed to arrive today. I am in no rush, but that is almost a month from order to delivery, which is pretty nutty.

I feel like this has always been the case with PT, but the last time I ordered was in bulk and it has been awhile, so I can't recall. Either way, plan accordingly if you are hoping to pick up some mones for an event, etc.

9/29/2024
This whole thing turns into a month of her trying to sleep with me and get me in a relationship with her. And there's no other reason for this turnaround besides na gel.

I'm a NAG-stan, but never underestimate the power of telling a girl no when she wants to have sex with you. Girls - even unattractive ones - are not used to guys doing that and society repeatedly teaches them that men will screw anything that moves. She could have just been horny, thought of you, and then got sent into overdrive by the rejection.

It could also be what you think, just trying to be fair. Wanting a relationship with you before you guys have even had sex is definitely NAG-like to be fair.

Anyone have any experience with this one?

I have used a bottle's worth. I would describe M3X as a strong social with a sneaking sexual. The biggest hits I got were from women I already knew and we were out for dinner or drinks after work (as part of a group). They would get physically hot, laugh at things I said that were definitely not funny, and agree with me like 90% of the time (even when I was being an asshole). It is worth noting that my main mone is NAG, so these women could have been seeing me in a much more sexual way for the first time (or this could all be attributed to M3X).

Women I met for the first time: the most amount of telephone numbers I have ever gotten on a mone in my life (in fact, I'm pretty sure that's what my review on the old site said). If I could talk with them for 10-30 minutes, they would force their number on me (I never asked). What's weird though, is that they would never follow up later. No texts, no calls. So I think you really have to steer into sex with this one on the spot or secure a future date then and there.

My final note would be that this feels like a hookup mone so if you are looking for hookups, I would put this up there with THU and EV. Never used M3X in a club setting, but I bet it would be effective.

The sexual wannabe top dogs, I mean. The ones that unexpectedly start ripping off your clothes and act compulsive during the sex. I mean: enjoy it, if you want, but don't give your home address and phone number.

No, I agree and that checks out. They would be same women with a lack of emotional control.

DP was the most "effective" with her, which has not be true of past gfs and I am really curious why that is (maybe cultural differences?).

In my experience that aren't always the most sane women, so you might want to build in some distance with that category...

Interesting... So which aren't the most sane - the one's that want to be top dog or the ones that like you smelling like you had sex with another women?

I wore GOA THU again yesterday and once again no lethargy and complete relaxation.

I am going to try this combo out to a bar.

3 GOA 1 THU

I wrote a pretty detailed report about an ex I used GOA on (highly effective) on the old site, but I have no idea how to resurrect that here. It was one of those surreal mone experiences though and I am pretty sure if I had used it sooner, I could have "saved" the relationship. I also remember trying the combo you mentioned above (THU-HUG) on first dates with two women (3x THU + 2x GOA was very effective - deer in the headlights, butterflies nervous, giggles), but that was when I was focused on finding a partner and I think that combo gives off player-vibes so I stopped wearing it to first dates.

Any luck at the bar?

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What ratio should I use?  Any other bits of wisdom will be appreciated.

I may be an outlier here, but I don't mix them. I primarily use NAG, but I apply to different places and stagger applications. So I'll do a pump of NAG two hours before on the top of my hands and forearms + the front and sides of my neck, but A1 approximately 20-30 mins. on my wrists and the back of my neck, both before exposure. I remember reading at some point that you really need to warm the gels up and ever since then I have found that to be more effective (also next day hits are way more common if I do not shower) so I do not think you would do that with the oil, but I am curious if it matters whether you mix or apply to different spots. Either way, can confirm this is an effective combo (but I would still use NA a lot on its own before combo so you can really understand it).

Yeah... so funny story. Despite me not being interested in a long term thing with her, that is exactly what happened and part of the reason I've been gone from PT the past few months. So weird... I never tried this combo again (or really anything this wild), but we had a lot of sex on other mones before she left the states. Of all things, DP was the most "effective" with her, which has not be true of past gfs and I am really curious why that is (maybe cultural differences?).

Anyway, waiting on hypnotica to try that fall-in-love combo referenced in the NAG thread now that I'm back on the market.

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So this Tuesday I wear three drops of BW to work (as usual), which goes for eight hours. I get off and get ready for a date with a girl I met once before wearing just BW. Might have been the BW, but for some reason, I just said, "fk it" and add two more drops of BW (neck and hands), four swipes of AV (one on each side of each wrist), two drops of DP 30 mins. later (back of neck), and a quarter pump of NAG (sternum and spread around pecs) 20 mins after that. Easily one of the most ridiculous combos I've ever worn.

We meet and go for a walk. She is a thin 26 yo (I'd say 7/10) African girl (with the nicest/tightest ass I have ever grabbed) and is just visiting the states for a few months, so her English is solid, but you can tell it is a second language for her. Her eyes start stinging in like the first ten minutes (and I'm like shit, that is definitely the mones - I've seen it before), but we're outside so I just play it cool and eventually it fades (with some tearing).

Anyway, chat for a bit about likes/dislikes - nothing overtly sexual - and I notice her legs look cold. Not sure why, but I immediately stop walking, she stops, I reach down and rubbing her leg, ask her if she's cold. We haven't really touched before this point, so super out-of-character for me. She giggles and tells me she's fine (I call BS though because those legs were two things: 1) silky smooth, and 2) definitely fking cold.

From this point on, my mind becomes completely one-track on this cold thing. We walk a bit more before I loop us back and say, "come on, let's warm you up at my place." She nods and giggles a little. I put on a show back at my place and she leans her whole body into my chest on the couch. I say, "here, let's cuddle to get warm" and physically move her so we spoon while watching the show (we haven't even kissed yet so this is all a bit premature for me). I regularly but infrequently put my hand on her calves, thighs, hips, and work my way back down (soft squeeze, little rubs, etc.). Basically whatever feels natural.

At the end of the show, I lean over her to get past the credits, and go for the kiss when I come back. Immediate 30 second makeout before she grabs around my neck and starts rubbing her vag against me. Forcefully. Obviously I reciprocate by pushing down with a hard on. Carry her back to my room for the lay about three minutes later. The sex is not very wet (like with Ev), but easily the loudest, tightest, and most enthusiastic girl I've had in a long time. Really great sex. And so fkin tight.

Afterward, she is like cats sometimes get towards me with mones - she just wants to be on me. She snuggles on the bed before getting cold and we go back to the couch. She snuggles on me more (and I'll admit, I wanted to see how much of that was there so I even got up, got water, ate a banana, came back, and sat further away, but she slid all the way over and snuggled more on me. Went to the bathroom and came back - same thing.

Eventually, she just fell asleep on me. Then she woke up at the end of the show, checked her phone, and said she had to go home. Kiss goodbye and said she had fun. Texted me when she got home and that was that.

Not interested in a long term thing with her, but I kept it causal enough that maybe I can be a FB while she's here in the states. First time with an African girl and it was definitely some of the best sex I've ever had.

Since the old forums are destroyed, i cant get ANY info on this. is it good? social or attractant or social sexual or slayer sexual or social crush, which category?

For me, TKO has always been a fun social/social with sexual undertones. Out and about use was met with mixed reactions (sometimes AV-vibes), but to gatherings with friends or a beer after work? That's where  TKO shined and everyone would always have a good time (in a way where I wasn't the center of attention like some socials), including self-effects.

I say sexual undertones because there was one evening I wore it where one of the girls at the table described to me in detail what she wanted the bartender to do to her sexually (before drinking), which was very out of character and I later told her she was a good girl (also out of character for me) which is still to this day the most red and longest red I have ever seen a white girl's face be. She was like... schoolgirl giddy the rest of the night.

So I am guessing there's a little disinhibition with it that brings that out, just not as much as M3X, etc.

Ive been trying to decide between these two for purchase. 

My general impression is that nude alpha is more sexual where as aqua vitae is more social than sexual. 

Is this close?  Any other quick way to describe the difference?

Maybe on others, but on me NA has never been a sexual product. In fact, I am pretty sure in my original review (on the old site) I said that NA was the last mone I use if I was trying to have sex. And that goes for women I have already had sex with too.

What NA does in my experience is induce love-like obsession in the girls you expose (assuming you play the role). In fact, I would go so far as to say that when my "game" and "escalation" skills grew, NA became a worse product to wear because of negative responses.

It was almost like escalation was incongruent to the NA persona.

Conversely, I have had women in awe just going about my business wearing AV. There was also a period of time I wore AV for like a month straight (which I am pretty sure commenters recommended against) with 1-2 days off a week and it was... a solid all-around mone. Also not necessarily sexual. And that would have been two three-inch rolls on the back of each hand, rubbed lightly on each side of my neck. The only negative effects I had from AV were the next-day (or two days later) exhaustion and people getting regularly exposed would sometimes view me as an a-hole that thought he was better than everyone (I am, generally speaking, the humblest one in the room, so that was definitely the AV  ).

A good replacement for Glace is a mix of Hypnotica/Dirty Primitive in a ratio 3:1.You can mix it in one bottle.Add a few drops to your Na/A1/mix for a potent combo.

Glace was gone by the time I started, so I'm really intrigued by this and love to try it (especially if it softens the seriousness NAG sometimes has). I can safely say that adding DP to NAG had a positive effect (never tried that combo with A1 because wouldn't A1 be counter-intuitive to the DP?), but adding Hypnotica? At that point you've created a new blend (NA/A1/DP/H), no?

What's your application? When I combo NAG/A1 it is usually one pump NAG + 1-2 drops of 10ml A1. DP is 4mg Andro and 2mg of Cops so I'd probably only go one drop (or swipe) if I am adding that to NAG as a base. Then three drops of Hypno? I am game to try it, that just sounds like a f-ton of mones.

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My top mones of 2023 - in no particular order - were:

• Nude alpha gel: consistent, but tough to master. Best advice is to keep your mouth shut and be interested in them. Second best advice is to use it consistently.
• Evolve: if you know you are going to spend 4+ hours with the target, you are likely to get laid if they are not injured, sick, etc. If you are moderately good in bed, they will say you are the best they've ever had.
• Bad wolf: beat out Captain for my best status/leadership mone. I have only seen the sexual side of this mone once so I would rather use other mones for dates, hook-ups, etc.
• M3X: never got a single lay, but always got a lot of interest and numbers constantly thrust upon me (like without asking). My guess is I need to work on escalation to see the other side in these situations.
• Tie between Captain Oil and SXD-9: Captain was my go-to status/leadership mone for awhile but Bad Wolf unexpectedly filled that role, so Captain went to the backburner the latter half of the year. I tested SXD-9 twice, got a ONS, and concluded it is giggle juice because women will uncontrollably giggle like school girls around me when I wore it the first time. But the second time? No effects.

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Pherofolk,

So NAG was the mone that made me make a profile to post on the original PT (because it was having unintended consequences and I was trying to see if someone had ideas on how to navigate them). I can safely say after years of use several times a week (always 1 pump) that it is an effective product and is very consistent, but it requires two things in my experience: (1) exposure; and (2) congruence.

You can and will see immediate effects from NAG, but not the imprinting ones. For example, respect and authority tend to be immediate for me (within the first 60 seconds). I have never been called "sir" by women or "boss" by men more times in my life than while using NAG. The most other most notable effect I've experienced is the velcro-effect and it is kind of hard to describe, but if you start a conversation with someone, it feels like they will converse with you indefinitely until you end the conversation or "allow" them to go (they will say things like, "I really must be going... I should get back to work... etc. repeatedly, but not actually leave unless you say, "you should definitely do that," "good idea," or the like and even then it's like they second guess their decision (almost like they want you to want them to stay)). It's like they need your approval.

The not immediate effect - the whole reason I tried NAG and that other people likely do too - is the imprinting. And in my experience, that part takes exposure and congruence. There seems to be a positive correlation between exposure and the amount they think about you (for example, if I go on a date with a girl for 4+ hours, she will tell me things like "I've never felt this way about someone before," "I can't stop thinking about you," "there's something different about you," etc.) like... two to three days later. But, these effects are strongest when they reach out to me first - as if I sent a text after the date saying it was fun and we should do it again sometime, but nothing else in the days that follow. My hypothesis on that has always been that they are constantly thinking about me, but it feels natural to them because I am not instigating the thought with a communication (I have never asked, but that makes sense to me).

However, the other side of that coin is congruence. One of the major drawbacks - IMHO - of NAG is that congruence means keeping your mouth shut and saying really important things when you have to speak. It is frustratingly hard to explain this one, but the best way to do it is to say: imagine if the person you are speaking to will remember every word you say obsessively. If you say something negative or arguably negative, there will be 10x the reaction and they will never forget. But if you say something positive: same thing. In my experience, women can and will fall in love with you if you are the real deal (not just trying to sleep with them, etc.) and you actively engage them in conversation (using just open ended questions and not talking about yourself unless they ask you - even then, keep your answers concise). The reason I say this is a major drawback is that most of your conversations will necessarily need to be one-sided and you cannot control what people hear you say, only what you say. So people will be excited to talk to you, but not excited to hear you talk. And they might interpret what you say in the most a-backwards way possible.

There are also some negative long-term side effects. For example, there are numerous women in my life (not even just romantic interests) that view me adversarially and try to compete with me. I do not understand where this comes from other than NAG and do not engage any women in that way, let alone these women. I suppose it is possible they are trying to "test" me as a mate from a biological perspective, but I have not even expressed interest in many of these women, just treated them with respect and common courtesy. It would be easy to write it off as "it's just those women," but they only do it with me so that ain't it champ. Another long term negative side effect is women's sleep. In my experience, they will struggle with sleep heavily and unless this is just a way more common thing with women in my country than ever before, I am thinking it is NAG. My confirmation bias on these two is that when I have stopped for periods of time those issues seem to dissipate.

As for the oil - I have never seen effects. It is literally the same product (IIRC Gary chimed in on this) and I know the oil came first, but it is always a bag of nadda for me every time I wear the oil (almost out of the bottle at this point). Maybe that is because people are used to the gel sig on me or maybe it is because I am not using so many drops (IIRC, Gary said a pump is like eight drops of the oil, so that really could be it TBH). Or maybe the gel is smoother. I am not sure, but that has been my experience.

Good morning Pherofolk,

Really glad to see PT back because I have always found a lot of value in reading the phero experiences of others and I was a lurker on PT for years before I made an account and did my first post. My first experience with pheros was over a decade ago now - just a couple of sprays of LT. Went to a sport thing in college with a few friends, met a girl for the first time, and she trusted me implicitly. Nothing sexual, but she insisted on giving me a ride home (with no one else) and she was an absolute early 20s bombshell. It reads like no big deal, but it was easily one of the most surreal experiences of my life and so strange in the moment (one of those "over-the-top" mones moments). So that was the day I became a believer.

Met a serious girl thereafter, fell in love, and thought I'd spend the rest of my life with her, but after a very long relationship, it broke. Got back into dating and realized that everything had changed after all those years - it wasn't as easy as being in a dorm and online dating can be effective, but time consuming. Then I remembered that 20s bombshell and realized I still had LT and AV in a box in my closet and it got me wondering... what else is out there? That's how I found the original PT and got started on my phero journey a couple of years ago. And after using pheros (pretty much daily) for years since then, I never plan to stop. I have had some bad experiences, but I can safely say pheros have had a dramatically positive impact on my life and I don't see that changing since I feel like I have learned how to deal with the OD situations, etc.

These days I am doing quite well for myself, staying active, keeping smart, and just trying to focus on being a decent human being while I continue dating.

And I think PT is a part of that journey for me, so thanks for bringing PT back!