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Yes, you're absolutely right about the dosage. I tried it at the recommended dosage of 1-2 sprays, and that was too much, even at one spray. I had ordered the oil version (with cops) at around the same time, and once I tried it in oil form, I was hooked and never cared to go back to the spray version. I'm sure if I play around with the dosage and use the sample sized spray bottles I might find a sweet spot, but at the moment I don't have the time that I used to have to do all that, since nowadays I'm mostly a grab and go kind of guy. I'm still very satisfied with the performance of the oil version, not just in the dosage-wise hits I get with it, but also in longevity, as the oil lasts way much longer on me than the spray version ever did.

P.S. I did try a combo of Ascend, Cohesion, Evolve and Core some years back, all in spray form mixed together in a small spray bottle at a 1-1-1-1 ratio, and did get really good results with the combo, mostly at parties/lounge environments. I did post my results on the old PT forum under the A.C.E. combos thread if I remember correctly.

I also have 2 spray bottles of Ascend (with cops) that I ordered recently. I'll just keep the bottle and use it whenever I need an oil instead of a spray.

Personally, I never liked the spray version of Ascend (with cops), as it seems too strong in effects (it is not as believable as the oil), and it doesn't last very long in comparison to the oil.

Welcome to the AV club, where it pays in dividends to those who are brave enough to unapologetically rock AV's bad boy/celebrity vibe. Reminds me of the time when I met and hooked up with an up-and-coming porn star chick that was all over me shortly after meeting/chatting her up. That was the most over-the-top hit I got with AV. But then a couple of years later, I decided to use it again on a night out...and what do you know? Just when I thought the porn-star hookup was a one-time opportunity, I ended up meeting another one at a different venue, who was much hotter looking than the first, and a whole lot naughtier as well...    

AV is so strong, that I feel it is highly unfair to the ladies working at places like strip clubs, since I believe it would be overkill in that (sexually charged) environment, and those poor girls are just trying to make a living to pay the bills...   

I just found a brand new dark brown bottle of Ascend oil that I ordered years ago when Ascend first came out.

Time to put it to the test...unless you're interested in selling it.   Did you get it with or without cops in it?

...my aha moment was with Aqua Vitae.

I agree with you on AV's massive effects on women. I think you'd have to be blind to miss the blatant DIHL's you'll get from those it affects, specially when going out to a restaurant, a bar, a lounge or a club. And if you dare to act on those IOI's...oh boy!     

Those are all great choices. I love both Lucky 7 Royal & Ascend. Ascend is one of my favorites from Steve O. I prefer the oil because 1 drop is all I need. Occasionally I'll do three drops. They're similar in the vibe they project so you can alternate between the two. You can even pair them (just wear your sweet spot for each of them). Ascend is more complex though, and contains copulins, which complements the blend well. Don't let the smell deter you.

I have to agree with your statement regarding the Ascend oil with cops. It's a really good blend in my opinion. I've gotten some amazing results from people that I didn't expect to open up and have deep conversations with me, with a few of them going as far as sharing some very personal info. It is one of my top favorite products. I also like the copulins scent in it, so much so that I've never worried or cared about how people might react to it (the copulins scent). I just apply 2 drops (1 to each side of my neck) and own it, say hello to everyone and make small talk, and then I see it work its magic. Amazing stuff.

I'm a bit late to the conversation here, but I will say Mind Pro Labs makes outstanding subliminals, and I've used 3 out of the 4 that the OP listed, and they all do exactly what the descriptions state. I highly recommend them!

I agree that MPL makes really good stuff. Not all their products worked on me though. I find that the earlier versions of some of their subs work better on me than the updated versions. So newer doesn't always means better. I've brought it up to their attention, and it seems that some of the newer script technology they're are using are not as effective to some people as the older scripts. Hence, the reason why I'm still listening to some of the older sub versions. 

The bad dreams usually happen around the first week. It's challenging your subconscious...creating friction. If you can make it through the bad ones (usually around the first week or so), the really good ones, and I mean REALLY GOOD ones will tend to follow with that subliminal!

Every once in a while I'd run an older version of one of their subs to help clear any issues that might turn into blockages in my subconscious. And instead of running away like some people do when they encounter discomfort, I welcome it because I know it is doing exactly what it was meant to do. It serves like a reboot to the subconscious.

Hello all, I was curious about this topic and I wanted to give a chance to these programs, and so I decided to buy SSM6. I'm trying to figure out how it should works, since I completed the first 5 days of Stage 0, and I'm doing the 2 days off. Now I'm wondering how long I need to go with stage 0 before going on stage 1 and ahead. They say to continue for 35 to 65 days, but there is no feedback I would look to. What do you think about it? Thanks in advance!

The recommended 30-60 days per stage is a general recommendation. How long exactly, whether it be 30 days or 60 days, depends on you. If you still encounter discomfort (aka resistance), then you should listen to each stage for more than the minimum of 30 days. If you don't feel resistance towards the end of the 30 days, then it's ok for you to start the next stage, or perhaps extend it to the half-way point of 45 days.

MX297 was a really fun mix. I remember the lovely scent always got me compliments everywhere I went, and people (mostly women) were always very interested in knowing what it was. Unfortunately I only got to play with it for a short while, mostly due to it being available in very limited supplies; only available in small to-go sprayer bottles, and Androtics never getting around to making large batches of it and making it available in 30 ml bottles, even though it had a huge fan base.    

From what I remember, there was a time that I went out to a club with a bunch of cousins with their S.O. and female friends. I ended up putting a couple of sprays (can't remember the exact dosage), and it was getting me blatant attention from both the ladies in the group and also the ones in the club. Reactions were the usual signs of IOI's; from standing next to me with open body language and posing in ways to present me their assets when I was getting drinks at the bar, to doing some very naughty/suggestive dance moves when I was on the dance floor. I didn't make any moves on them mostly out of respect because I did not want to take my attention away from the ladies in my group that night, plus I was having a great time with them anyways.

I remember two in particular were very into me when I was dancing with them. They both kept saying how much they love the scent, kept complimenting me and wanted to know what it was and where I got it. I kept telling them a made-up story as to how it was a custom-made scent not available in stores (which is true, if you think about it ). I kept flirting with them at the club, both kept dancing very close to me on the dance floor, and giving me the "bedroom eyes". I knew that if I wanted to I could've closed them both that night and have my way with them, but decided not to cross that line, due to our long-term friendships.

MX297 to me was more like AV's little brother. One of those mixes that could get you the Celebrity/VIP attention/attraction hits just like AV does, but more forgiving than AV, in that it allowed you to maintain a playful fun guy attitude, while also allowing you the opportunity to close with the ladies if you knew how to drive it towards that direction. From my experience with both; with MX297 you can be more playful with the ladies, but still get them sexually attracted to you if you tease them from time to time so they still feel your intentions. Whereas AV requires you to be more upfront with your game right from the start; be less playful and showing more of a IDGAF attitude, while unapologetically teasing to get them hooked right from the moment they start paying attention to you.

I have resorted to something very different and novel in trying to visualize myself in a crowded area full of beautiful women, all approaching me and helplessly wanting me to join them and be with them.

I watch this film clip (https://youtu.be/kopeV13b3Fw?si=oldoMj36-g3x_J5z) silently on repeat now as I listen to the brainwave session  just visualizing me instead of the singer (some of his music I quite like anyway) walking through the crowd of Miss Universe contestants.

Anything you can come up with in order to assist/help your ability to visualize is acceptable. That is very similar to the concept I've used over the years to help with my visualization exercises. 

Personally, I believe Ascend oil w/cops is a really great blend. You can request it without cops if you'd like, but if you don't, they'll send you the one with cops as default. 1-2 drops is all I ever need for great overall effects/hits from both men and women. I find that more than 2 drops can create issues around some ladies that I'm familiar with. They get testy/bitchy, so I always make sure not to go over 2 drops just because I like to create a great vibe and atmosphere around me, where everyone can have a great time.

It has a great effect around strangers and newly met men/women. Most guys instantly get very buddy-buddy with me, with them constantly seeking my approval by asking for advice, offering to buy me drinks, inviting me to join their group, event, house party, etc. Some are even cool with me talking and teasing their girlfriend/wife right in front of them, which is pretty funny to watch when that happens...it's as if they see me as a strong alpha male who they can trust around their woman because I am a sexually unapologetic male who doesn't hide who he is, and what his intentions are. I remember that many times in the past they were quite happy I asked them for their permission to dance with their partner. Some kept insisting for me to keep dancing with their partner, and seemed disappointed when I was pulled to the dance floor by one of the other ladies. Amazing blend indeed.

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What I really meant is, will pheromones mess up your brain when trying to change your brain with subs?
In other words, will the A-1 depression, anger, lethargy, etc...from the pheromones linger when you go back to doing the subs, making progress backfire?
Will 'mones like AV cause terrible anxiety? Will CAS cause terrible lethargy? Will using such 'mones and the subs make you need to start over with the subs?
Honestly, I love 'mones, but if subs get me all the results from meet to close, I will NOT return to 'mones and risk my subs progress being halted or effected negatively.

You are NOT supposed to use neither one with the other. And the fact that you are not ready to face your fears/traumas, (by what you said earlier feeling "creeped out" from using SSM) is a testament of what I said in my earlier post (#8). So, if you're more into 'mones because you already get results with some of them, then I suggest you stick with just 'mones. Choosing not to follow this advice will result in poor results, and will actually hinder any progress with either 'mones or subs. Plus, if you read the fine print on each product's page, you're NOT even supposed to mix subs, so choosing to listen to two different subs (SSM & ABW), that have a different set of instructions each, will also hinder your progress.

Subs will NOT change or improve the way you react to certain products like AV, CAS or A-1, as that has to do with neurochemical reactions. Subs do not alter/change your neurochemicals, they are just instructions that go directly to the subconscious mind, in order to change a deeply-rooted behavior (approach anxiety). That behavior is what causes your fear of approaching women and having conversations with them, due to your fear of them rejecting you, and your fear of what others think of you.

When the behavior has been corrected at the subconscious level, the fear will no longer be there, to the point where you'll be able to approach the hottest woman in a public setting, regardless of whether she's surrounded with friends or strangers in a crowded mall/supermarket, etc...because you won't care of what she and/or others think or say about you...because that will no longer be a factor keeping you from accomplishing the goal. And as a result, you'll have a more care-free, approachable, friendly/sociable attitude and body language that women will easily pick up on, and feel totally comfortable in your presence. You'll still have to do your part of presenting yourself, dressing well, having a pleasant personality, etc., but now with an IDGAF way of thinking, free from the previously held beliefs at the subconscious level that manifested in the fear you experienced at the conscious level.

This is what makes all the difference in the world, whether it is with 'mones or subs. That's why AV is such a hard product for a lot of people to use. Is it not that AV isn't good at all, or isn't good for newbies, it's the fact that the AV signature is all about a man that has got his sh!t together, does not care or gives a rat's @ss about what others or the rest of the world thinks, for he is a man of action; a man with a mission, and with a passion to accomplish that mission no matter what life throws at him, carving his own path in the face of opposition, for he is not settling for the subpar b.s. that society has stuffed down the throat of the rest of the world. AV presents this vibe unafraid and unapologetically, hence the blatant reactions from both men and women.

And that is one of the reasons why most people\newbies experience such failures with AV, because they just don't live up to (not congruent with) the signature. Another reason is due to overdosing, which creates the arrogant "pr!ck" vibe, hence the reason why it's always recommended to start low and up the dosage to find one's "sweet spot". AV is also a product that sticks around for quite a long time, so it is not recommended as a product for daily wear, because doing so will bring about the OD responses. This I consider a positive, because I remember experiencing the so-called next-day "hits" from people in general. And as a result, that will make a bottle of AV last a whole lot longer than other 'mones.

The favorite subs in my collection, are the ones that dig deeply, looking for anything that might create a negative/unwanted behavior at a subconscious level. If I experience a "terrible" nightmare, I don't run from it and stop usage. No, instead I welcome it, because I know that the sub found something that is not going to serve me well in the future, and is attacking whatever that may be at the root, before it creates some sort of issue(s) that will later manifest at the conscious level. And those are the ones I consider my favorites, because they've had the deepest impact on my personal growth.

Maybe Onlyme did get a handjob, who are we to know? It's not nice when someone shares a personal experience and somebody else says it's not true, without even being there. No one did question your holiday stories, did they?

I have to agree 100% with that statement. Let's keep away from the name-calling and finger pointing.

So let me tell you all a story which I will write to their reviews section about ABW 5.0X...I believe this is the Law of Attraction working in freaky ways. Freaky to the point of hair raising.

I cannot go into full details here, but I can tell you this much...there is MORE than just the Law Of Attraction working/manifesting with subs.