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Wolf or Instant Shine, but 2nd Dsouza around family (unless you wish to rock the boat)

YSL La Nuit de L'homme (Women only and they freaking love this scent)
Creed Aventus/Club de Nuit Intense Man (Men and Women about 50/50)
Androtics Akuto (very rarely women)

Nothing else I've worn has ever gotten me compliments.

A1 and beta-nol (or any mix that contains them), the rest are like a night of drinking and most people forget about them in the morning.

A314 or MX297, but MX297 might lead you into a false sense of security OR out wow the other players.

FYI, I don't play poker as I have a shit poker face

I freaking LOVE MX297!

It's not sexual, seriously, it's not.

What it does in some situations is, it makes you outshine every person in the room...

I went to a small jazz performance and impromptu started to sing after the performance had finished and the lead singer said "I can't compete with this". I later lent it to an acquaintance who was also performing at a jazz competition; his band didn't win, but he personally was awarded with "special recognition" out of the 100+ performers.

I can wow a room with ease. I've outshone actual celebrities on a "booze cruise" multiple times in Tokyo. (I have a few world firsts that basically no one is aware of, but I ain't anything to look at in person). Mostly though, when recording audio or shooting clips, MX297 brings out the absolute best in me.

I don't use it around women at this point. It's strictly for business and creative work and I ONLY use it when I think it will earn me money or recognition.

My two bottles are June 2015

For me, it was the Tao of Badass by Joshua Pellicer followed up by How to Date Multiple Women also by Joshua Pellicer.

I read and applied the first book when I had been recently dumped by my 10 girlfriend in Taiwan of 10 years when I moved to Japan. (Her previous bf was an HK TV star, #2 behind Edison Chen for years, but I totally forget his name, however he kept trying to get her back). Anyways. I was a total simpleton back then, but finally started to get a few positive interactions with women post reading The Tao of Badass...

3 weeks in, I pulled the trigger on his 2nd book, the aforementioned How to Date Multiple Women, and I had 2 new girlfriends within 24h and 5 within a seven week period. (You MUST put in the homework if it's mentioned in the book(s)).

Over the next 8 years, I usually had 3-4 girlfriends openly (occasionally 5) and busted an estimated 1000+ condoms during this time (occasionally all 4 gfs would all be late). Fridays were incredible with more times than I can remember with 3 women in a single day (only the lunch gf knew about the others).

Never had 4 in 24h though.

2020...

Corona, caused 3 to ditch me within 3 months (main gf still with me).

Upon reflection, I absolutely don't miss the constant worry of missed periods and mainly just practice game without pulling the trigger during the summer months...

Awaiting the gel to be finally be approved before it's "game on!" and I no longer worry about busting condoms. (Have 100+ still in my fridge of these extra strong Lifestyles that gays swear by... the Japanese ones suck/too thin.. they fell great though)


Ps. I also had spent 6-10k on other dating experts during this time, but Joshua's 2 books were about 45% of the puzzle.

Pps. Mones are the other piece of the puzzle, with specific mones for specific women. Some LOVED A1, my main hates it, one p83 was her thing, another TAC; universally though, all loved none.

Ppps. The Deck of Destiny really helps my closing rate if I can get her to meet.

If you're low T, avoid A1. I can visually watch men subdue into a shell over a 3.5-5 minute period while riding on the train. I frankly only apply it now around women when we're about to hit the bedroom to see if she has a clingy, in need of protection vibe. It can be gold here, but kills the tension for more often than not. Use A1 with caution; it's gold with the odd woman, but gets in the way (imo) more often than not.

Flip side, it's a good test to see if a man's T levels are low. If they're high, no effect, however, if they're low, he'll either retreat into shell or turn pissy.


Other mones: TAA gives a crash if too high, high none leads to aggression in males, frustration/avoidance in females (plus physical arousal, but they can practically never put 2+2 together here) and ghosting if way too high (and headaches personally), rone shit tests, but this can be a good thing.

Like most on this forum, I've tried a lot of pheromones, but this one reminds me of IG; it's simple, but produces the hits (positive or negative)

Positive usually also involved p103 (12-25mcg) and p83 (30-45mcg). Number close one night, but I can't remember if I followed up. Different number close, great interaction, but no follow up on her end.

Solo is where I received a lot of the negative shit tests (with my main), but almost no tests outside my main.

My next purchase is going to be Lucky Royal 7 and Bad Wolf before trying L2KII. Please, post combos.

I would love to have these type of blatant and aggressive attraction results from pheromones once again. Maybe some younger guys could chime in if they get any reactions like this with current pheromone formulas on the market because I certainly no longer do.

I'd say hit the gym and do whatever it takes to hit your sweet spot. When I say your "sweet spot", I mean whatever it takes to get you in the zone. Women want it all, the butterflies, the man they can show off and protect them....

Mones are at best 10-15% of the puzzle, but that 10-15% can't be replaced by anything else.

For me, P86 is a one trick pony; it beautifies everything in its cloud.

Dose: 50-60mcg
Self effects: Everything is beautified. At the right dose, my vision will obtain an ever so slight, white, fuzzy, cheesecloth like filter.
Effects on others: If I dress up, such as a great tie or yukata, I'll receive far more compliments than normal and people will spontaneously open me.

Combos: MX297 was amazing, Wolf slightly benefits from it. Seems to work best with socials, sexuals not so much. Yet to really test it with any rone based product.

Useful to pair it with MX297 (Androtics now calls it "Smooth"), but other than that, I wouldn't buy it again.

If peeps noticed anything else, please tell.

Although, I did have the odd encounter wearing TAC where I did score, it usually killed the tension too much and was more of a bane than a boon. It probably cost me more than a few potential relationships over the years.

Nowadays, it's exclusively for bedroom fun. I'm careful not to go too high as at the 75-100mcg range tends to mellow me out too much and I become a lazy fuck. 25-50mcg seems to do the trick with 50mcg being excellent with the ladies and tolerable for me.

Between 25-50mcg, hard to nut women become easy, easy to nut become multi, and multi women just go off back to back 20-30x till I get bored. 75+ it's hard to say as I get too mellow and so do they.

I personally think TAC just allows them to relax and not give a fuck and enjoy the moment.

Pairs great with any none heavy product when engaging in bedroom fun.

This mone is a trip.

P102 is the only mone I've worn that affects ALL FIVE SENSES. I've tested tasting food (it's better), touch via sex (it's a tad better), hearing and sight just by existing (kinda evokes how a cat or dog might hear as you notice cars and people going by outside...).

Not sure where to use it... (I still have a tad that's slowly evaporating in Androtics' old crappy 5ml atomizers). Sex is good, but being frank, not worth the hassle. Occasionally, I bomb on 20mcg just for the auditory boost (I freaking love music).

Perhaps, I'd be useful in a focus/study/in-the-zone product, not sure where else.

After six weeks of daily testing, I can see why Gary started his business with Possess, BUT, it's been 30 years or so and this mone is just good, but not great.

In his defense, I'm testing in late fall, borderline winter, but the sample is almost gone and I had to add some P103 and P86 to tweak it into the effective range for IOI, Kino, engagement and number close. Solo, I'd get the odd IOI and leg squirming, but that's it. The scent is great, though.

Surprised not to see a dedicated thread about Odyssey XS.

Overall it's my #2 favorite mone of all time after MX297. Would instantly brighten up a room, ferry ride, laughter, etc. The only problem was the Clary Sage seemed to lose its potency rather quickly.

The next time I pick up a bottle, I'll try and find some Clary Sage essential oil to see if I can maintain its longevity. (After a year, it was barely different than Instant Openness and the Clary Sage smell was mostly gone, but the first few months were gold).

Unfortunately it didn't do much for me. I didn't get that dreamy state and I didn't see it at other people.

I'm looking forward to some reports, though. Was it mainly a social/shiner? Or did you actually get that dreamy vibe? (When the essential oil was still potent.) Was the diffusion that good that you lighted up a whole ferry?

I didn't know that the essential oil of the Clary Sage did lose its potency so quickly. I thought essential oils had a longer shelf life. Maybe just some have and others don't.

Imagine laughing gas, you spray ONE spray on your neck and EVERYONE behind you (wind on the ferry)/around you spontaneously bursts in to laughter and excited conversation for the next 3-7 minutes depending upon the individual. Post that, it's just a feel good social.

Another user on the old PheroTruth site posted the same, but after a few months the effect began to wane till it was basically IO, which being honest, is Androtics weakest mone.

As for the essential oil question, yeah, most last for years, but in my opinion, the Clary Sage doesn't and must be used up within 3-4 months (but I could be wrong here as I don't know exactly how long it was from when Steve made the batch and I and other users received it). Guaranteed, by 15 months, the Clary Sage had almost entirely faded and was basically a strange smelling social, with practically nothing remaining of the original effect.

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P103 My Favourite Putative


About a year before PheroTalk 1.0 closed down, I was researching all the putatives...

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If anyone else has had some experience with P103, please share it.

What a great story! So happy that your life took this positive turn after that very deep low. (And of course I am very curious how you did get cured from Alzheimer. If you care to share, I am open to hear.)

I remembered some old thread on pherotruth 1 that mentioned P103. (My mind is good with numbers.) People were talking about a building up tolerance and that you have to act reasonably fast after it affects someone. Did you also notice those two things?

Btw, I also love the old bottles. I still have some old Androtics Direct and LAL bottles lying around. In my experience the products only work better when aged.

Btw2, nice to have a fellow poly person on the forum. It's nice to have the possibility of several partners in all openess. (My date this week did get pretty aroused by SOB and Treasureful Shine, plus some homemade putatives. So there are other products that can help, when you run out of your P103.)

Will answer all of your questions it the order posted:

Alzheimer's
Glad you liked the story. The "SMACK!" onto the floor for more times I care to remember, I left out,  but here is the general information on how to cure it. (The full info would take about 5.5h 1-on-1 or four 2.5h group meetings). I'd go into more depth, but this is a pheromone forum...

Causes
Alzheimer's is primarily caused by: mercury and aluminium toxicity, having one or two copies of the APOE4 gene (two arginine residues), a concurrent zinc and selenium deficiency and systemic lipopolysaccharide toxicity at a previously undetectable level until recently.

Secondary factors are: copper and iron toxicity, calcification of the brain, fat soluble environmental toxins, a leaky gut (usually glyphosate is the culprit) and an anemic immune system or other things that cause chronic inflammation in the brain such as herpes simplex 1 (people with Alzheimer's almost invariably have it).


The Cure
To cure it, you have to sort all of the above and switch the brain from a damage control state to a healing/growth state. (This is why a single drug/intervention is thoroughly impossible).

Pathology
There is a bunch to the pathology, but back when I was in over my head 9 years ago, the pathology was just being laid out and I was way too fucked to wrap my head around it and decided to just focus on causes (if I could find them) and clear them up. (Thankfully, I chose that path). A book has since been written about it, I intend to read it someday. There is also a lot of information on YouTube.

Back to P103...
As for the buildup tolerance and acting fast... Humm, maybe yes.

I do most of my testing (except summer) on the train, so build up is practically impossible to test. However, the "wow" factor (see original TLDR That's why) might suffer from build up, but the sexual and energy side do not (judging by my interactions with my main).

Aged Pheromones...
Yeah, they all seem to do better overall except P86 so far (it seems a tad weaker and Blue Summer has degraded somewhat... maybe it's the Blue Summer degradation affecting diffusion). MX297 in Akuto is God's juice at this point.

Poly
I'm curious about your self made putatives.

My background is in applied chemistry & biochemistry, but beyond making the odd liposomal vitamin/nutraceutical or magnesium bicarbonate, I've never used it post graduation. (Well, I do use chemical theory A LOT in my health research).

Will check out Treasureful Shine shortly (your post is the first time I've heard of it), but Lucky Royal 7 already turns me into a charming SOB, but I should probably still give that one by Steve a shot.