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New finding:

Voodoo works much much better when you and the target girl has no history. In order for her to feel that you are "the one" she shouldn't be able to rationalize why her brain keeps thinking about you. If you have a history she may find reasons like you have been together for a long time or some other stuff. So I would say it is very good for meeting new women.

I said this and I am saying this again: YOU MUST HAVE ONE ON ONE MOVIE MOMENTS WITH HER. You can't just use it and have mundane conversations. Let her feel positive emotions and she will associate those feelings to your presence, reaching out to you when she wants to feel them again. Say, you make her feel excited or happy, she will be happy when she meets you again. This is an imprint mone and that is what it does. You do not wear it to a social event or a club and think they will fall for you. Go have an adventure with a girl and have fun. Make her smell where you put Voodoo and ask her if she likes it. Even she does not like it, it doesn't matter. (If anybody replies to this I won't be able to answer for a month due to personal reasons so sorry in advance phero brothers)

What products do you use now?

for imprinting,GOA, and started playing around with QB and HC from attraction essence

He heard of Voodoo from me. Voodoo is way, wayy stronger in imprinting department than Goa. I tried both and when you create "movie moments" with the girls, they get imprinted super strongly while Goa does the same, it is too soft for me. Voodoo is especially strong on emotional girls. I have some threads here that you can check about Voodoo. I go into more details but beware of reverse imprint.

As of now my friend has gotten over it while imprint in the girl is starting go even deeper each time they meet. I would go into more details but this will be my last post for a month due to my military obligation stuff. Will update when I come back.

[Pheromones amplify what is already there]

More findings:

When I wore this with my ex gf after a long day of hanging out and chilling, I entered the toilet and applied 1 drop of dp on my stomach. In 30 seconds I left the toilet and sat besides her. The moment I entered the room which she was in she looked at me in a curious way and said that I looked very cute. In 30 more seconds she started rubbing her foot to my crotch and in another 30 seconds started scratching my arm. I looked at her and started touching her back and in 2 minutes she pulled me to the bedroom. She is low libido so this is super unlike her. She was begging me to f her after putting dp on in like 5 minutes in total.

The weird thing is just 2 days after that I applied dp again when we came back to home but this time both of us were very tired. I applied it for experiments sake just to see what would happen and unsurprisingly she did not want to do anything at all. Pheromones amplify what is already there and neither me nor she wanted to have sex so nothing happened.

Similar things happened when I wore dp with another girl and my friend experienced the same thing with another girl.

Conclusion: When sexual energy and possibility to close is there, dp makes the process faster.

Update:

My friend's severe case of reverse imprint got lower and lower every day by about 5% let's say. It was a nightmare for the first 3 days though. He couldn't concentrate on his work and got random emotional outbursts like wanting to cry etc. In about 2 weeks it got a lot better. In the meantime I got him to stop using pheromones and focus on going to gym and the only phero he used was a dab of Aqua Vitae under his nose. When life shit got in the way he started to regain his focus slowly.

Yesterday he tried 2 drops of Voodoo + 1 drop of Aqua Vitae + big dab of Npa again with the same girl. This time, he was ready to ride the wave. He did not sniff the Voodoo directly, spent less time with the girl and went straight for the f close. He did NOT get any reverse imprint. It is much better but holy hell. If this is what girls experience when they get imprinted, I geniuenly think we should be careful about how we use this thing. I will update if we experience anything else.

Would pay a fortune to experience something similar to original L2K and Glace.

Update:

1 day later he said that the effects went down by about 10-20 percent but it is still going. What worries me is that the girl texted again and he seemed to be in a better mood almost immediately. He started joking around and such which indicates that he gets dopamine out of being in contact with her. This is literally how you become addicted to something. I am wondering what will happen if they ever meet again.

But I do think it is possible to fclose with tl. It will come with her becoming very possessive and jealous of you though and will take time since it is mainly an emotional attachment mone.

What I LOVE about TL is how you feel like you're in a fucken MOVIE when you're talking to a girl. As if you're both reciting script.  I think she feels this just as much as you and is probably wondering wtf why?  She must be losing her marbles guessing as to why she feels like she's in a movie playing a character alongside you.  Do you really think this is believable attraction or women sense it's not believable which is why you can't fclose with TL?

TL seems to work for me best at 1 drop.

I tend to get severe disrespect when I spray it and use multiple sprays.

I never tried it before but I assume it is basically a nuclear a1 drop on women which makes them comfortable with you but not necessarily sexually aroused. Instead of sex, they may think about having a future with you in a relationship. If I want to spray and go for an ons I would pass on True Love. It literally has love in its name lol. I do not think its purpose is to use it in a club and have sex in the toilet.

[Backstory:]

If any of you have seen my posts and stuff then you know that I am big on imprinting first and converting to fwb later and so is my friend.

Backstory:
This guy is a really sweet person and a lot more emotional than me. Easily makes friends and makes other people laugh but lacks the skills in escalation which constantly got him in the friendzone or ghosted. Girls just saw him as a funny guy and nothing more. Not very strong in the looks department either, he is tall but very overweight.

So he started experimenting with Voodoo to imprint and hook the girls, making them unable to ghost him and he combined it with Npa or Dp so that he doesn't get into the friendzone. Sexual attraction = no friendzone so math seemed perfect.

The problem is 2 days ago he went on a date with a borderline crazy girl who has a lot of mental issues. I suspect she might have bipolar disorder or might be in the beginning of it or something. The point is that her mind doesn't work properly.

They met through Tinder about 2 weeks ago and they only met once. This first meeting was a regular meeting at a park so not much has happened but the girl was annoying as hell, calling him names and constantly shit testing him. This meeting that I am about to tell is the second date from 2 days ago.

He accidentally put 2 drops of Voodoo instead of the regular 1 drop, added 3 dabs of Npa and 1 drop of Aqua Vitae.

He spent 8 fricking hours in her house, they had sex for 4 hours (he hadn't done it for many months) played guitar and sang while making out and drinking wine. Everything seemed perfect.

Then he came back to where we work and he wouldn't stop talking about her. I thought this was a normal thing since he had a great night but he also told me that he thought he got reverse imprinted a bit. I brushed it off because he has always been the on who looks at his phone and messages even when there are multiple close male friends. Thought he was just being his usual self.

Just one day later he told me that the crazy girl had texted and got into a relationship with her ex just one day after she had sex with my friend. After he learned this apparently things went overdrive and he became sure that he got reverse imprinted.

Stuff he experienced and still is experiencing after 2 days:

*He literally cannot stop playing a song that she sang while he played guitar. It is not like 4-5 times a day. He said that it is more like 200+ times in completely random moments and in detail.

*When he talks with me or somebody else there is no problem but the moment and I mean the moment conversation ends, the images of the night comes in front of his eyes.

*He got tears in her eyes WHILE working out out of nowhere in the gym. He told me that he never cried even one drop in the last 2 years even when he broke up with his relationship of 2 years and he would cry if he had let himself go in that moment. I was with him when this happened.

*The word ''sweet'' and various other words trigger her memories in his mind.

*We were sitting in the bus and he got his backpack on his lap, hugging it so that it doesn't fall. He looked at me and said ''Even hugging this makes me remember her''. He had her sit on his lap for about an hour while they were listening to music on the balcony and he sniffed his arms where Voodoo was to check if it still smelled after 8 hours.

*He said that it makes him super angry that he simply cannot stop his mind from thinking about her.

*He also told me that if he didn't know it was because of pheromones he would probably go crazy or think he was bewitched.

*When I asked him what he would do if she came through the door his answer baffled me. He said ''I would hug her and sleep''. His original plan was to make her his fwb for all the winter. The hell?

He can't stop thinking about a girl that he met through tinder just 2 weeks ago who also called him multiple names and swear words for no apparent reason other than the fact that she is ''quirky'' and ''playful''.

So there you have it. Reverse imprinting is not a joke just like A1 depression so careful with imprinting mones especially if you are emotional. I will keep updating his situation and what he experiences.

Hey, my first post back after a long absence... Apparently we lost the whole database here or something?

anyway: treat the warning above as an FYI. I avoided A1 (Androstadienone) for a LONG time when I started out because I'd been dealing with depression.

After probably a year of experimenting, I found a few messages indicating that for a lot of people, wearing A1 in a band of total mcg amounts wast the trigger. As in if they wore more than Xmcg but less than Ymcg, they got the depression effects. Below Xmcg there was no effect on anyone. Above Xmcg, yeah, these guys got the hits, but they also got the dreaded A1 blues. Get above Ymcg, the depression went away and the hits just kept on coming.

So I decided to do an experiment. I dropped what felt like an ungodly amount of money on a 30ml bottle of pure A1 from XS because they offered it in metered mcg concentrations. I went with a concentration where 3 sprays would be in the "yeah, I've never gotten depression at this level" range for most of the guys who mentioned this effect.

My results couldn't have been better. The "instant crush" effect from A1 is real. No depression.

I went back and checked my old orders and found that the concentration I bought A1 at was 3mcg/spray and I generally wore 3-5 sprays and got zero depression or ghosting.

To sum up: yes, be aware of A1 depression and watch out for it. Clean your app points. But seriously, don't sleep on it, and don't be afraid to use a little more than you think you need.

Great post. Thanks and welcome back sir.

I didn't know swoon had imprinting effects, interesting. I've been using it for a while, but also dating multiple girls. I never felt imprinting for any one particular woman.

I'd recommend even to follicly, cosmetically, height challenged guys to work volume, and optimize your game the way you would optimize a marketing or sales funnel.

The steps are:

Approach -> number -> date -> lay -> FB or LTR.

From my experience about 10% of approaches lead to numbers if you're approaching in a target-rich area. 20-40% of numbers lead to dates. And if you run the date properly and seed the pull each time, about 70% of dates end back at your place getting jiggy with it. Once you have all that dialed in it's just about putting more girls into the top of the funnel.

Once you bang a girl 3ish times she gets the memo and starts seeing you as a regular FB.

This is how at any given time I have 3-5 consistent FBs. I've had as many as 14 at a time but that's a full-time job lol. I have seen even bald guys and guys who are far shorter get metrics like that too.

To get them, you need to dial in your strategy. For example it's a rookie mistake not to schedule the date close to your house. If the girl wants to "meet in the middle" you just say "let's meet close to me this time, then next time we can meet closer to your place " and I've never had them not agree.

Similarly, if you don't have DHVs ready (meaning stuff that is 100% true for you and not bragging, but gives you higher value just because you're talking about yourself that way) then you won't get as many numbers. Mystery's old-school attraction switches still apply. But ethically speaking, they should be true and unique to you.

If you're a scared child and can't approach, or you're only approaching in areas where there are married women, you won't get as many numbers there either.

I truly believe most guys can dial all of this stuff in to have a pipeline of dates at all times with minimal time investment. Behavior matters, especially since female attraction is based far more on vibes than overt physical qualities. Read some evolutionary psychology books from authors like David Buss or Geoffrey Miller if you don't believe me.

I do think the exception to that is if you're fat. I put on some lbs a few years ago, even when I was about 25lbs overweight I had no problems attracting hot girls. But it started to taper off when I let myself go and reached 35+ lbs overweight. Had to go on a strict diet + 100 steps daily and I'm only about 15 lbs overweight now. Still working on it. But the increased receptiveness of girls when I got closer to my fighting weight was noticeable.

So yeah, control everything you can control about your looks. By all means. If you're bald, just shave your head. Literally the dude who is on video banging the most hot girls probably ever did that (Johnny Sins).

And if you can't control it, like you're short or something, then don't worry about it.

Basically the best moves when it comes to game are things you can do to move the interaction forward smoothly. So:

If you don't have her number, get her number as quickly as possible without being socially uncalibrated.

All texts you send to her should have the ultimate goal of getting her to meet up for a date without being pushy.

Then on the date, obviously vibe and relax and get to know her, but make sure to 1. DHV and show interest in her 2. mention something that is cool that's back at your place, that she needs to check out - a show, the view from your balcony, your dog, whatever. And 3. work on sexualizing the conversation or make innocent sexual jokes that are easy for her to laugh at. Also ideal to not sit across from her at a table but find somewhere where you can sit side by side to introduce physicality. Touch her shoulder/hand/etc. Wear interesting bracelets she can touch as you're explaining the story behind it.

Then at the end of the date, "Oh you should check out that xyz I mentioned, my place is right around the corner we should go." I often add "Don't worry, it's not for sex" if I think she might use that as an objection. Or I'll say "You can just have one drink at my place then you have to go, I have to be up early for xyz thing." 

Back at your place do whatever the thing is you seeded, but it's best to have a setup where you can sit next to her on your couch. From there it's usually pretty simple to escalate. Initiate a kiss by saying "What color are your eyes?" Then do triangular gazing - R eye, L eye, lips, repeat.

In short, I don't like most PUA stuff because it's gimmicky and wastes time/energy on minutia. Authenticity is better than lines. The most important moves are the moves that move the girl to the next stage of the funnel.

Mystery's observations are valid, but speaking from lots of experience he massively overcomplicated the game. The most important stuff to know from Mystery's work are DHVs, attraction switches, and the compliance model. Mystery is still an OG and deserves everyone's respect though.

Also it helps to nerd out on evolutionary psychology. The book Why Women Have Sex by David Buss is a good one. Also The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller explains how things like humor, wit, art, music, dancing, style, etc. evolved in our species as fitness indicators similar to the peacock's feathers. Because they have no significance for survival. Their purpose is to help women select mates for reproduction.

Anyway this is a long post sorry for droning on but I get passionate about this stuff when guys think the only advantages you can have are purely height, money, looks, etc.

It's the classic mistake both sexes make of thinking that the opposite sex is attracted to them for the same reasons they are attracted to the opposite sex. I've seen obese women go to all the trouble of becoming a doctor because they think it will make high-value men more attracted to them. Not the case. Much easier to lose 60lbs than go through med school.

Quite interesting. I would be interested in reading more about these and your thoughts on seduction as a whole in a separate longer post. It had been a long time since I had heard Mystery's name and all the other stuff.

It's still in coming soon status though..

I just checked and it is now available for preorders.

Oooo it is finally listed on Aroma Fero. It seems to be a gel. Can't believe it has been years since I first heard about it and it is finally here!

Can swoon cause reverse imprinting?

I assume yes because some people in the old forum did say it has imprinting effects.

Update:

This is just a theory but I think overdosing on alpha pheromones like AV or BW might help with getting rid of reverse imprinting.

What I have noticed is that whenever I use Aqua Vitae especially high doses, I get so cocky that I feel like the girl is beneath me. Reverse imprinting makes us lose our logic and see the girl in a perfecr way, yes? Well cocky and high and mighty behavior you display with alpha pheromones might help with that in my humble opinion.

You should try to meet the girl with aggressive alpha mones and od a little bit. Not to the point of getting ghosted but to the point of not being able to stop yourself from criticising her and seeing yourself in a grandiose way.

As I have said, this is just a theory but I noticed I couldn't care less about girls and their bs behaviour whenever I od a bit. Might be worth a try.

Btw, maybe adding a bit of alpha under the nose may also prevent getting reverse imprinted. Gotta try next time.