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#31
Most of us think we make our own choices but one look at advertising should be enough to out that theory . Propaganda, Peer pressures blah blah blah. So how can we take back our freedom. Well, slowly. One choice at a time, One decision at a time and soon we look back on our life and its a line of our own choices so our life has in effect become a life we have chosen to live and not something someone else foisted upon us for power or profit or one we have foisted upon ourselves with negative emotions, expectation or bad past experiences.
This work came about after a long in depth look at a life time of knowing I needed external validation to motivate me to do anything. In the simplest sense. I need a Boss or GF tell me what to do. I'm a slave to the dollar and pussy, have been since I was old enough to work and fuck.
This does not take to much imagination to see these as unattractive traits. Perhaps even now you are saying, that stupid cuck. A lot of times when I wear an alpha pheromone. I'm actually trying to look or feel like I run my own life.
Maslow's Hierarchy of needs tells us a number of needs need to be met before we become self actualized. I was taught in a couple courses that only a few people actually obtain it and to not bother even trying and to just be another one of the sheep. The world will show me what they want me to do. I paid for the course so I listened. Until, I saw how unattractive digging for compliments, attention and recognition with and without pheromones made me appear.
So I want to share with you some work. AI work I'll admit. I condensed a couple thousand pages Of Self Self determination theory into a couple pages. One is an explanation and another is a mental excercise to start burning these new to me questions into my brain. So far this seems to be working, I've broken through some procrastination, and also used it for a fast running mouth when I get anxious.
So I hope this helps a few people like its helping me..
Self Determination exercises
This work came about after a long in depth look at a life time of knowing I needed external validation to motivate me to do anything. In the simplest sense. I need a Boss or GF tell me what to do. I'm a slave to the dollar and pussy, have been since I was old enough to work and fuck.
This does not take to much imagination to see these as unattractive traits. Perhaps even now you are saying, that stupid cuck. A lot of times when I wear an alpha pheromone. I'm actually trying to look or feel like I run my own life.
Maslow's Hierarchy of needs tells us a number of needs need to be met before we become self actualized. I was taught in a couple courses that only a few people actually obtain it and to not bother even trying and to just be another one of the sheep. The world will show me what they want me to do. I paid for the course so I listened. Until, I saw how unattractive digging for compliments, attention and recognition with and without pheromones made me appear.
So I want to share with you some work. AI work I'll admit. I condensed a couple thousand pages Of Self Self determination theory into a couple pages. One is an explanation and another is a mental excercise to start burning these new to me questions into my brain. So far this seems to be working, I've broken through some procrastination, and also used it for a fast running mouth when I get anxious.
So I hope this helps a few people like its helping me..
Self Determination exercises
#32
Bnol
#33
Good topic, Hard to talk about because its so broad and means so many things to so many people. I'd say I use about 6 kinds. I've probaly experimented with another 6. Today I mostly use it to touch various powers of the unverse. The problem with talking about it openly is that your best friends push books your way about how to eliminate spiritual grandiosity, your evangelical friends send you to hell and even other fellow travelers can think you a bit dafter than they. That just happened, that book thing. Being sent to hell hasn't happened for months I was describing a Gnostic meditation that went further than elementary breathing styled meditation. Gnostics have some nasty heretical history if you breath a word in certain denominations.
I am not a fan of counting, regulated breathing or metal transmutation of various geometric shape or symbols but If I say this, there I go again, I am offending those who like that. I guess I don't really dislike them as much they are hard and don't lead me to where I want to go, namely being ablt to touch those forces I've talked about.
Some stuff works but if one jumps into it to fast, you aren't ready to relax with those forces. They can feel dangerous and perhaps even are when they split your current reality. Before one goes somewhere, they should be versed on the way back.
And then there are the dangers of isolation and enough endorphins and dopamine being produced as to become addictive. I stay away from the meditation videos and soundtracks because I can easily lose hours as well as all motivation to engage with the real world. Its a bit like people being addicted to social media. It takes a while to see the harm.
I am not a fan of counting, regulated breathing or metal transmutation of various geometric shape or symbols but If I say this, there I go again, I am offending those who like that. I guess I don't really dislike them as much they are hard and don't lead me to where I want to go, namely being ablt to touch those forces I've talked about.
Some stuff works but if one jumps into it to fast, you aren't ready to relax with those forces. They can feel dangerous and perhaps even are when they split your current reality. Before one goes somewhere, they should be versed on the way back.
And then there are the dangers of isolation and enough endorphins and dopamine being produced as to become addictive. I stay away from the meditation videos and soundtracks because I can easily lose hours as well as all motivation to engage with the real world. Its a bit like people being addicted to social media. It takes a while to see the harm.
#34
My fav spinster spelunking splash is about 5 drops badwolf and a few sprays of SOB. Besides being heavy on enone, they are both pretty energetic. brings the sparkle back in their eyes.
#35
Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jul 04, 2025, 03:42 PMI found it very interesting, especially being on the upper end of 50+. That's hilarious, but also shows that mones aren't necessarily age-dependent.
Yes. Very true.
I had 3 sprays of taboo on yesterday when I was in a mobile phone repair shop and an old lady, possibly in her late 70s, opened me and started conversation.
#37
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#38
I found it very interesting, especially being on the upper end of 50+. That's hilarious, but also shows that mones aren't necessarily age-dependent.
#39
Just as I was about to find my breakthrough tut seems I've come to a dead end.
Got in contact with SteveO cause I remember Indi-Player's post of him discovering the actual molecule for TAC, he mentioned he disclosed it to three vendors before revealing it in his thread. I though of him first and sent him an email. It turns out it's illegal to send contact information since he's a regular customer at PXS so I might not get it.
Oh well, it is what it is then
Got in contact with SteveO cause I remember Indi-Player's post of him discovering the actual molecule for TAC, he mentioned he disclosed it to three vendors before revealing it in his thread. I though of him first and sent him an email. It turns out it's illegal to send contact information since he's a regular customer at PXS so I might not get it.
Oh well, it is what it is then
#40
I've been experimenting with mones about 3 months now. Still new at this compared to some of the other users on this forum whose posts I've been reading.
To preface this: I'm going to be 37 this month, I got into pickup a long time ago and have been living what is colloquially referred to as "the player life" for the past 15ish years. So I have a lot of reference experiences on how women normally react to me, to compare with when I'm wearing mones.
Some of these mones have been super powerful in the field. I have a lot of anecdotes to share in future posts. This one is not about those.
In a nightclub or bar setting, I've been testing different quantities to see what's right for me. Sometimes I pile them on and mix them like crazy. And I don't get as many IOIs with super-heavy mone blends. But I do still get crazy self effects and a lot of compliance with girls I open, which is what matters most to me anyway.
The backstory about how I run game:
I don't use IOIs as a benchmark for whether a girl is into me. Over the years I've learned women can be totally attracted to you and not show any outward signals. Some of them just want to feel your blind confidence and see you assume they're attracted even if they're not outwardly showing it to you.
Especially the hotter ones. They often don't give attraction signals, just to see if you're confident enough to make a move. Plus a lot of hot girls who are 9+ have had bad past experiences doing anything that "encourages" men, and they feel fear about it even if they like you.
That's why the benchmark I use to tell if it's still "on" is simply whether she's complying with my suggestions to move it forward or not. Complying on the open, the pull, the number, the date, the lay, etc.
Still, the heavier mone blends were a bit of a question mark for me. Especially in a nightgame situation. I haven't been able to tell if they were helping or hurting.
That is, until I went to my uncle's wedding a few weeks ago.
My Uncle is in his 60s and has been a bachelor my whole life. He finally got married last month. I went to his wedding, and knew there would be zero women there who I would have any interest in. It was all people ages 45 or 50+.
I asked the Alexa GPT from royal pheromones what kind of blend to wear not to attract anyone, but to just give the impression that I was successful, on top of my game in life, and an interesting guy. Because there'd be family members of mine there who I hadn't seen in 15+ years.
I used the blend the GPT recommended. But I used WAY more than it told me to use. Probably a mistake.
The blend I wore was:
Wolf - 5 sprays neck/chest area
Voodoo - Sample vial, basically coated the underside of my chin with it, hard to tell how many drops it was
OD - Also sample vial, put quite a bit on my forearms
PA - About 4-5 drops around solar plexus, behind ears, over shirt, on suit coat.
I wasn't really thinking too hard about it when I did this. Just getting ready for the wedding. Not even looking for "hits."
At the wedding, I did have some really engaging convos with family members I hadn't seen since I was a little kid.
But I had one super over-the-top pheromone hit with an 80+ year old woman. Which in hindsight was absolutely hilarious.
She was... my grandma's brother's wife. So that's technically my great aunt I think? I don't know. My grandma passed away over a decade ago, that part of the family I just don't interact with.
But let me tell you, this lady could NOT get enough of me during the wedding.
She was seated at my table for dinner during the reception. Once I sat down, she sits right down next to me and goes, "Oh my, am I excited to sit next to YOU!"
She wouldn't stop asking me questions and acting like everything I said was the most interesting thing in the world. Which, my obnoxious ego aside, I do say pretty interesting stuff a lot of the time. It's just a byproduct of refining my cold approach strategy the last 10+ years. But her reactions were completely over-the-top even in that context.
So I have a business creating customer acquisition strategies for businesses. Prior to doing that, I was a freelance direct-response copywriter for a decade. So it's second-nature for me to tap into market psychology and know what makes them tick. And design messaging around it.
This lady was WILDLY fascinated by that. She didn't want to stop talking to me and asking me questions. She found it so amazing that I could market a crypto product to someone who was her age even though I was so much younger. She called me "brilliant" when I described to her how I research the psychology of the 60+ market to sell them stuff online. Then she taps my mom on the shoulder and goes, "Your son is a GENIUS!!"
She wanted to be around me the whole night. Constantly re-engaging with me. Touching my arm. Literally treating me like I was the "most interesting man in the world" from the dos equis commercial. It honestly became hilarious how this old woman just thought I was the sh!t no matter what I did.
Long story short, I did not intend to get pheromone hits with women who are distant relatives of mine and who are 80+ years old. But, here we are.
People on this forum have said that piling on the alpha mones too heavily only attracts elderly women. I should have heeded those warnings 🤣.
That was the most over-the-top hit I've gotten.
I have since dialed back the more alpha mones and got two more bottles of Barely Legal from PXS. Because my main demographic is women 18-29.
I have a lot of stories with younger women too, I go out all the time with a couple of the wings I've had for 10+ years. I will post more about those experiences here when I get the time. I just noticed there's a "journal" feature on this forum. I do miss the old school PUA forums where you posted field reports, because that helps you dissect your game and reflect to improve it.
I will be experimenting more to see if I can get over-the-top hits like I got at the wedding, but with hotter, younger women.
Briefly:
I have noticed a lot more admiration and dreamy stares from my FBs ages 20, 23, and 26 when wearing less alpha blends. But I'm already sleeping with them and the precedent was already there for sex.
I went on a date with a 24yo Ukranian refugee while wearing PA also. She seemed into me, but Ukranians in general don't close until the 4th or 5th date. I lived in Poland for a bit back in the day and dated Ukranian girls in the past. It's rare that they even kiss on the first date. Just part of their culture. I will say the fact that I had past experience dating Ukranian girls was the reason she felt comfortable going on the date to begin with.
I probably don't have enough time to follow up with the Ukranian girl because in a couple weeks I'm going to Miami. And you better bet I'm bringing more alpha blends with me for those latinas.
Okay, sorry if this post was all over the place or I was rambling. I just wanted to share the unintended hit with an 80 year old. And I will start a journal thread here if I can to document some more of the specific effects of mones I've been testing and how they affect my interactions with the fairer sex.
To preface this: I'm going to be 37 this month, I got into pickup a long time ago and have been living what is colloquially referred to as "the player life" for the past 15ish years. So I have a lot of reference experiences on how women normally react to me, to compare with when I'm wearing mones.
Some of these mones have been super powerful in the field. I have a lot of anecdotes to share in future posts. This one is not about those.
In a nightclub or bar setting, I've been testing different quantities to see what's right for me. Sometimes I pile them on and mix them like crazy. And I don't get as many IOIs with super-heavy mone blends. But I do still get crazy self effects and a lot of compliance with girls I open, which is what matters most to me anyway.
The backstory about how I run game:
I don't use IOIs as a benchmark for whether a girl is into me. Over the years I've learned women can be totally attracted to you and not show any outward signals. Some of them just want to feel your blind confidence and see you assume they're attracted even if they're not outwardly showing it to you.
Especially the hotter ones. They often don't give attraction signals, just to see if you're confident enough to make a move. Plus a lot of hot girls who are 9+ have had bad past experiences doing anything that "encourages" men, and they feel fear about it even if they like you.
That's why the benchmark I use to tell if it's still "on" is simply whether she's complying with my suggestions to move it forward or not. Complying on the open, the pull, the number, the date, the lay, etc.
Still, the heavier mone blends were a bit of a question mark for me. Especially in a nightgame situation. I haven't been able to tell if they were helping or hurting.
That is, until I went to my uncle's wedding a few weeks ago.
My Uncle is in his 60s and has been a bachelor my whole life. He finally got married last month. I went to his wedding, and knew there would be zero women there who I would have any interest in. It was all people ages 45 or 50+.
I asked the Alexa GPT from royal pheromones what kind of blend to wear not to attract anyone, but to just give the impression that I was successful, on top of my game in life, and an interesting guy. Because there'd be family members of mine there who I hadn't seen in 15+ years.
I used the blend the GPT recommended. But I used WAY more than it told me to use. Probably a mistake.
The blend I wore was:
Wolf - 5 sprays neck/chest area
Voodoo - Sample vial, basically coated the underside of my chin with it, hard to tell how many drops it was
OD - Also sample vial, put quite a bit on my forearms
PA - About 4-5 drops around solar plexus, behind ears, over shirt, on suit coat.
I wasn't really thinking too hard about it when I did this. Just getting ready for the wedding. Not even looking for "hits."
At the wedding, I did have some really engaging convos with family members I hadn't seen since I was a little kid.
But I had one super over-the-top pheromone hit with an 80+ year old woman. Which in hindsight was absolutely hilarious.
She was... my grandma's brother's wife. So that's technically my great aunt I think? I don't know. My grandma passed away over a decade ago, that part of the family I just don't interact with.
But let me tell you, this lady could NOT get enough of me during the wedding.
She was seated at my table for dinner during the reception. Once I sat down, she sits right down next to me and goes, "Oh my, am I excited to sit next to YOU!"
She wouldn't stop asking me questions and acting like everything I said was the most interesting thing in the world. Which, my obnoxious ego aside, I do say pretty interesting stuff a lot of the time. It's just a byproduct of refining my cold approach strategy the last 10+ years. But her reactions were completely over-the-top even in that context.
So I have a business creating customer acquisition strategies for businesses. Prior to doing that, I was a freelance direct-response copywriter for a decade. So it's second-nature for me to tap into market psychology and know what makes them tick. And design messaging around it.
This lady was WILDLY fascinated by that. She didn't want to stop talking to me and asking me questions. She found it so amazing that I could market a crypto product to someone who was her age even though I was so much younger. She called me "brilliant" when I described to her how I research the psychology of the 60+ market to sell them stuff online. Then she taps my mom on the shoulder and goes, "Your son is a GENIUS!!"
She wanted to be around me the whole night. Constantly re-engaging with me. Touching my arm. Literally treating me like I was the "most interesting man in the world" from the dos equis commercial. It honestly became hilarious how this old woman just thought I was the sh!t no matter what I did.
Long story short, I did not intend to get pheromone hits with women who are distant relatives of mine and who are 80+ years old. But, here we are.
People on this forum have said that piling on the alpha mones too heavily only attracts elderly women. I should have heeded those warnings 🤣.
That was the most over-the-top hit I've gotten.
I have since dialed back the more alpha mones and got two more bottles of Barely Legal from PXS. Because my main demographic is women 18-29.
I have a lot of stories with younger women too, I go out all the time with a couple of the wings I've had for 10+ years. I will post more about those experiences here when I get the time. I just noticed there's a "journal" feature on this forum. I do miss the old school PUA forums where you posted field reports, because that helps you dissect your game and reflect to improve it.
I will be experimenting more to see if I can get over-the-top hits like I got at the wedding, but with hotter, younger women.
Briefly:
I have noticed a lot more admiration and dreamy stares from my FBs ages 20, 23, and 26 when wearing less alpha blends. But I'm already sleeping with them and the precedent was already there for sex.
I went on a date with a 24yo Ukranian refugee while wearing PA also. She seemed into me, but Ukranians in general don't close until the 4th or 5th date. I lived in Poland for a bit back in the day and dated Ukranian girls in the past. It's rare that they even kiss on the first date. Just part of their culture. I will say the fact that I had past experience dating Ukranian girls was the reason she felt comfortable going on the date to begin with.
I probably don't have enough time to follow up with the Ukranian girl because in a couple weeks I'm going to Miami. And you better bet I'm bringing more alpha blends with me for those latinas.
Okay, sorry if this post was all over the place or I was rambling. I just wanted to share the unintended hit with an 80 year old. And I will start a journal thread here if I can to document some more of the specific effects of mones I've been testing and how they affect my interactions with the fairer sex.
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