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#41
I've been experimenting with mones about 3 months now. Still new at this compared to some of the other users on this forum whose posts I've been reading.
To preface this: I'm going to be 37 this month, I got into pickup a long time ago and have been living what is colloquially referred to as "the player life" for the past 15ish years. So I have a lot of reference experiences on how women normally react to me, to compare with when I'm wearing mones.
Some of these mones have been super powerful in the field. I have a lot of anecdotes to share in future posts. This one is not about those.
In a nightclub or bar setting, I've been testing different quantities to see what's right for me. Sometimes I pile them on and mix them like crazy. And I don't get as many IOIs with super-heavy mone blends. But I do still get crazy self effects and a lot of compliance with girls I open, which is what matters most to me anyway.
The backstory about how I run game:
I don't use IOIs as a benchmark for whether a girl is into me. Over the years I've learned women can be totally attracted to you and not show any outward signals. Some of them just want to feel your blind confidence and see you assume they're attracted even if they're not outwardly showing it to you.
Especially the hotter ones. They often don't give attraction signals, just to see if you're confident enough to make a move. Plus a lot of hot girls who are 9+ have had bad past experiences doing anything that "encourages" men, and they feel fear about it even if they like you.
That's why the benchmark I use to tell if it's still "on" is simply whether she's complying with my suggestions to move it forward or not. Complying on the open, the pull, the number, the date, the lay, etc.
Still, the heavier mone blends were a bit of a question mark for me. Especially in a nightgame situation. I haven't been able to tell if they were helping or hurting.
That is, until I went to my uncle's wedding a few weeks ago.
My Uncle is in his 60s and has been a bachelor my whole life. He finally got married last month. I went to his wedding, and knew there would be zero women there who I would have any interest in. It was all people ages 45 or 50+.
I asked the Alexa GPT from royal pheromones what kind of blend to wear not to attract anyone, but to just give the impression that I was successful, on top of my game in life, and an interesting guy. Because there'd be family members of mine there who I hadn't seen in 15+ years.
I used the blend the GPT recommended. But I used WAY more than it told me to use. Probably a mistake.
The blend I wore was:
Wolf - 5 sprays neck/chest area
Voodoo - Sample vial, basically coated the underside of my chin with it, hard to tell how many drops it was
OD - Also sample vial, put quite a bit on my forearms
PA - About 4-5 drops around solar plexus, behind ears, over shirt, on suit coat.
I wasn't really thinking too hard about it when I did this. Just getting ready for the wedding. Not even looking for "hits."
At the wedding, I did have some really engaging convos with family members I hadn't seen since I was a little kid.
But I had one super over-the-top pheromone hit with an 80+ year old woman. Which in hindsight was absolutely hilarious.
She was... my grandma's brother's wife. So that's technically my great aunt I think? I don't know. My grandma passed away over a decade ago, that part of the family I just don't interact with.
But let me tell you, this lady could NOT get enough of me during the wedding.
She was seated at my table for dinner during the reception. Once I sat down, she sits right down next to me and goes, "Oh my, am I excited to sit next to YOU!"
She wouldn't stop asking me questions and acting like everything I said was the most interesting thing in the world. Which, my obnoxious ego aside, I do say pretty interesting stuff a lot of the time. It's just a byproduct of refining my cold approach strategy the last 10+ years. But her reactions were completely over-the-top even in that context.
So I have a business creating customer acquisition strategies for businesses. Prior to doing that, I was a freelance direct-response copywriter for a decade. So it's second-nature for me to tap into market psychology and know what makes them tick. And design messaging around it.
This lady was WILDLY fascinated by that. She didn't want to stop talking to me and asking me questions. She found it so amazing that I could market a crypto product to someone who was her age even though I was so much younger. She called me "brilliant" when I described to her how I research the psychology of the 60+ market to sell them stuff online. Then she taps my mom on the shoulder and goes, "Your son is a GENIUS!!"
She wanted to be around me the whole night. Constantly re-engaging with me. Touching my arm. Literally treating me like I was the "most interesting man in the world" from the dos equis commercial. It honestly became hilarious how this old woman just thought I was the sh!t no matter what I did.
Long story short, I did not intend to get pheromone hits with women who are distant relatives of mine and who are 80+ years old. But, here we are.
People on this forum have said that piling on the alpha mones too heavily only attracts elderly women. I should have heeded those warnings 🤣.
That was the most over-the-top hit I've gotten.
I have since dialed back the more alpha mones and got two more bottles of Barely Legal from PXS. Because my main demographic is women 18-29.
I have a lot of stories with younger women too, I go out all the time with a couple of the wings I've had for 10+ years. I will post more about those experiences here when I get the time. I just noticed there's a "journal" feature on this forum. I do miss the old school PUA forums where you posted field reports, because that helps you dissect your game and reflect to improve it.
I will be experimenting more to see if I can get over-the-top hits like I got at the wedding, but with hotter, younger women.
Briefly:
I have noticed a lot more admiration and dreamy stares from my FBs ages 20, 23, and 26 when wearing less alpha blends. But I'm already sleeping with them and the precedent was already there for sex.
I went on a date with a 24yo Ukranian refugee while wearing PA also. She seemed into me, but Ukranians in general don't close until the 4th or 5th date. I lived in Poland for a bit back in the day and dated Ukranian girls in the past. It's rare that they even kiss on the first date. Just part of their culture. I will say the fact that I had past experience dating Ukranian girls was the reason she felt comfortable going on the date to begin with.
I probably don't have enough time to follow up with the Ukranian girl because in a couple weeks I'm going to Miami. And you better bet I'm bringing more alpha blends with me for those latinas.
Okay, sorry if this post was all over the place or I was rambling. I just wanted to share the unintended hit with an 80 year old. And I will start a journal thread here if I can to document some more of the specific effects of mones I've been testing and how they affect my interactions with the fairer sex.
To preface this: I'm going to be 37 this month, I got into pickup a long time ago and have been living what is colloquially referred to as "the player life" for the past 15ish years. So I have a lot of reference experiences on how women normally react to me, to compare with when I'm wearing mones.
Some of these mones have been super powerful in the field. I have a lot of anecdotes to share in future posts. This one is not about those.
In a nightclub or bar setting, I've been testing different quantities to see what's right for me. Sometimes I pile them on and mix them like crazy. And I don't get as many IOIs with super-heavy mone blends. But I do still get crazy self effects and a lot of compliance with girls I open, which is what matters most to me anyway.
The backstory about how I run game:
I don't use IOIs as a benchmark for whether a girl is into me. Over the years I've learned women can be totally attracted to you and not show any outward signals. Some of them just want to feel your blind confidence and see you assume they're attracted even if they're not outwardly showing it to you.
Especially the hotter ones. They often don't give attraction signals, just to see if you're confident enough to make a move. Plus a lot of hot girls who are 9+ have had bad past experiences doing anything that "encourages" men, and they feel fear about it even if they like you.
That's why the benchmark I use to tell if it's still "on" is simply whether she's complying with my suggestions to move it forward or not. Complying on the open, the pull, the number, the date, the lay, etc.
Still, the heavier mone blends were a bit of a question mark for me. Especially in a nightgame situation. I haven't been able to tell if they were helping or hurting.
That is, until I went to my uncle's wedding a few weeks ago.
My Uncle is in his 60s and has been a bachelor my whole life. He finally got married last month. I went to his wedding, and knew there would be zero women there who I would have any interest in. It was all people ages 45 or 50+.
I asked the Alexa GPT from royal pheromones what kind of blend to wear not to attract anyone, but to just give the impression that I was successful, on top of my game in life, and an interesting guy. Because there'd be family members of mine there who I hadn't seen in 15+ years.
I used the blend the GPT recommended. But I used WAY more than it told me to use. Probably a mistake.
The blend I wore was:
Wolf - 5 sprays neck/chest area
Voodoo - Sample vial, basically coated the underside of my chin with it, hard to tell how many drops it was
OD - Also sample vial, put quite a bit on my forearms
PA - About 4-5 drops around solar plexus, behind ears, over shirt, on suit coat.
I wasn't really thinking too hard about it when I did this. Just getting ready for the wedding. Not even looking for "hits."
At the wedding, I did have some really engaging convos with family members I hadn't seen since I was a little kid.
But I had one super over-the-top pheromone hit with an 80+ year old woman. Which in hindsight was absolutely hilarious.
She was... my grandma's brother's wife. So that's technically my great aunt I think? I don't know. My grandma passed away over a decade ago, that part of the family I just don't interact with.
But let me tell you, this lady could NOT get enough of me during the wedding.
She was seated at my table for dinner during the reception. Once I sat down, she sits right down next to me and goes, "Oh my, am I excited to sit next to YOU!"
She wouldn't stop asking me questions and acting like everything I said was the most interesting thing in the world. Which, my obnoxious ego aside, I do say pretty interesting stuff a lot of the time. It's just a byproduct of refining my cold approach strategy the last 10+ years. But her reactions were completely over-the-top even in that context.
So I have a business creating customer acquisition strategies for businesses. Prior to doing that, I was a freelance direct-response copywriter for a decade. So it's second-nature for me to tap into market psychology and know what makes them tick. And design messaging around it.
This lady was WILDLY fascinated by that. She didn't want to stop talking to me and asking me questions. She found it so amazing that I could market a crypto product to someone who was her age even though I was so much younger. She called me "brilliant" when I described to her how I research the psychology of the 60+ market to sell them stuff online. Then she taps my mom on the shoulder and goes, "Your son is a GENIUS!!"
She wanted to be around me the whole night. Constantly re-engaging with me. Touching my arm. Literally treating me like I was the "most interesting man in the world" from the dos equis commercial. It honestly became hilarious how this old woman just thought I was the sh!t no matter what I did.
Long story short, I did not intend to get pheromone hits with women who are distant relatives of mine and who are 80+ years old. But, here we are.
People on this forum have said that piling on the alpha mones too heavily only attracts elderly women. I should have heeded those warnings 🤣.
That was the most over-the-top hit I've gotten.
I have since dialed back the more alpha mones and got two more bottles of Barely Legal from PXS. Because my main demographic is women 18-29.
I have a lot of stories with younger women too, I go out all the time with a couple of the wings I've had for 10+ years. I will post more about those experiences here when I get the time. I just noticed there's a "journal" feature on this forum. I do miss the old school PUA forums where you posted field reports, because that helps you dissect your game and reflect to improve it.
I will be experimenting more to see if I can get over-the-top hits like I got at the wedding, but with hotter, younger women.
Briefly:
I have noticed a lot more admiration and dreamy stares from my FBs ages 20, 23, and 26 when wearing less alpha blends. But I'm already sleeping with them and the precedent was already there for sex.
I went on a date with a 24yo Ukranian refugee while wearing PA also. She seemed into me, but Ukranians in general don't close until the 4th or 5th date. I lived in Poland for a bit back in the day and dated Ukranian girls in the past. It's rare that they even kiss on the first date. Just part of their culture. I will say the fact that I had past experience dating Ukranian girls was the reason she felt comfortable going on the date to begin with.
I probably don't have enough time to follow up with the Ukranian girl because in a couple weeks I'm going to Miami. And you better bet I'm bringing more alpha blends with me for those latinas.
Okay, sorry if this post was all over the place or I was rambling. I just wanted to share the unintended hit with an 80 year old. And I will start a journal thread here if I can to document some more of the specific effects of mones I've been testing and how they affect my interactions with the fairer sex.
#42
My responses? Aloof, better than. At the higher dose their familiarity begins to tax me. How about yours?
#43
Seems like NA would calm down any intimidation from BW. Is this a good combo? Or are these best left to solo? Want to try at bars / clubs.
#44
Try Possess from LAL.
#45
Try a good social, can make a world of difference.
Vibes from PXS is great. Core or Ikor from Apex. Nude or Possess from Royal Pheromones.
Vibes from PXS is great. Core or Ikor from Apex. Nude or Possess from Royal Pheromones.
#46
Pheromones have an effect on you, just as they generate desire in others, they generate desire in you too. You need to use pheromones for a period of time for your system to get used to them. Use them regularly for 1 or 2 months, every other day. After this period, your system will become natural with them. It's all a matter of your system getting used to them. Once you get used to them, when you use them, you will reap the benefits and not the negative effects. However, after using them for a while, you will naturally have a signature of the pheromones. Your personality will change.
#47
Are there any mones or combos that are not alpha but have status? I get alot of high status from blends like av bad wolf and wolf but there is still to much intimidation even at 1 drop to the point people avoid me or make it seem like i have to chase them. So frequently i will wear these mones then have to go in the bathroom at a nightclub or something for example and wash if off becasue its so annoying. Im 6'2 195 lbs ripped and natrually good looking men in his 20s so i naturally come off a bit intimdating. Theres times i have benefits with mones but then theres a huge side effect like men blatanly disrespecting me or ignoring or me getting pablo escobar type of respect from men but then the girls are avoiding and ghosting the fuck out of me which i have never had in my life. Should i even use mones or is there a combo or solo i can use that isnt too alpha and intimidating but still has status and respect without getting in betaland?
#48
Completely agree on the increased attention effect, whenever I wear this to work the girls I work with seem much more likely to start conversations seemingly out of the blue, and put in effort to keep it going. Very interesting mix so far, and the smell lasts so very long, even when I'm working in the hot ass kitchen with the fryers going all day during the summer.
#49
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Product Reviews - LAL / Liquid Silver (Holygrail editi...
Last post by Mr_Right - Jun 30, 2025, 04:59 AMSo far only used 1 spray to hair.
Scent package is top quality on this one.very refined.
Too early to make any assessment on effects as its been a dirty application on Le toxique. If it had the exact same mix of pheros as Le toxique, I'd be thrilled in all honesty as that one seems great
Scent package is top quality on this one.very refined.
Too early to make any assessment on effects as its been a dirty application on Le toxique. If it had the exact same mix of pheros as Le toxique, I'd be thrilled in all honesty as that one seems great
#50
So early impressions of Le Toxique
SCENT
while I have no idea if it smells like any creed stuff , it is strong on a pineapple early note (I am no scent expert and pretty much clueless so take this with a pinch of salt ) and then has a more complex finish. Probably smells better than the other S1ck stuff ive got (ignoring liquid silver which i haven't tried )
The scent lasts a long time ( have been using it in my hair)
Wifey has complimented me a lot of times on the scent. It's definitely a quality scent.
EFFECTS - SELF
firstly the good news - is cant detect any fatigue or nuking like with casanova.
Does have an inner calming self effect plus subtle positive behavioural effects which you'll need (when you see the effects on others)
In the office, I have too much of a tendency to get my comedian gig going and have colleagues in regular fits of laughter- could be seen as a negative in the wrong environment but in my team I'm super controversial at the best of times so the folks are well adapted to my BS.
There's no overt rages that I get from most alpha products if I'm not adapted to them (think bad wolf etc)
EFFECTS ON OTHERS
Certainly significantly increased attention from strangers. More prolonged conversations with others including sales staff, waitresses etc.
On day 1 I noticed a bit of a more status vibe and less emphasis on overt IOIs. I think that is probably the case still, more eye contact for sure but less of the hair flips and all those other effects. I kind of feel like a good name would be true admiration. Both genders seems positively affected by the sig at 1 spray (which is all i use currently) . Higher doses ups the status it seems but I dont need that.
Wifey has been all over me a lot. Stopping me in my tracks to get a teenage snog.
It does get the attention of females.
CAVEATS
I have taken tribulus a few times, there could be contraindications there
EARLY CONCLUSIONS
I was this enamoured with the first true love when it came out . This one is a bit different to TL but every bit as good if not better. Ofcourse the issue i had with TL is the newer ones didn't work at all like the original and I fear the same for this one so I might need to make a large purchase to secure long term stock. Things have moved on a long way since AQ came out and while I didn't like Avant Garde much (maybe it needs a high dose ) this one is vibing so well out of the gate.
It seems to have reset things with the SO also. Im getting a lot more coffees and attention generally.
Now, i think its time for a dirty liquid silver holy grail test on the residual Le toxique
SCENT
while I have no idea if it smells like any creed stuff , it is strong on a pineapple early note (I am no scent expert and pretty much clueless so take this with a pinch of salt ) and then has a more complex finish. Probably smells better than the other S1ck stuff ive got (ignoring liquid silver which i haven't tried )
The scent lasts a long time ( have been using it in my hair)
Wifey has complimented me a lot of times on the scent. It's definitely a quality scent.
EFFECTS - SELF
firstly the good news - is cant detect any fatigue or nuking like with casanova.
Does have an inner calming self effect plus subtle positive behavioural effects which you'll need (when you see the effects on others)
In the office, I have too much of a tendency to get my comedian gig going and have colleagues in regular fits of laughter- could be seen as a negative in the wrong environment but in my team I'm super controversial at the best of times so the folks are well adapted to my BS.
There's no overt rages that I get from most alpha products if I'm not adapted to them (think bad wolf etc)
EFFECTS ON OTHERS
Certainly significantly increased attention from strangers. More prolonged conversations with others including sales staff, waitresses etc.
On day 1 I noticed a bit of a more status vibe and less emphasis on overt IOIs. I think that is probably the case still, more eye contact for sure but less of the hair flips and all those other effects. I kind of feel like a good name would be true admiration. Both genders seems positively affected by the sig at 1 spray (which is all i use currently) . Higher doses ups the status it seems but I dont need that.
Wifey has been all over me a lot. Stopping me in my tracks to get a teenage snog.
It does get the attention of females.
CAVEATS
I have taken tribulus a few times, there could be contraindications there
EARLY CONCLUSIONS
I was this enamoured with the first true love when it came out . This one is a bit different to TL but every bit as good if not better. Ofcourse the issue i had with TL is the newer ones didn't work at all like the original and I fear the same for this one so I might need to make a large purchase to secure long term stock. Things have moved on a long way since AQ came out and while I didn't like Avant Garde much (maybe it needs a high dose ) this one is vibing so well out of the gate.
It seems to have reset things with the SO also. Im getting a lot more coffees and attention generally.
Now, i think its time for a dirty liquid silver holy grail test on the residual Le toxique
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