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Casanova - The Definitive Guide

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Introduction

I've been getting some questions regarding the Casanova spray from LAL/S1CK, like how to use it, what the best this and that. So I've decided decided to write a guide on how I use Casanova to get max results. This is from my personal experience of using this product, I'm including different use cases and strategies and how to avoid the dreaded reverse imprinting, as well as minimizing the next day after effects.

You can read it in a few ways:

- You can read it all the way through to gain the best out of the knowledge I have laid out for you

- You can look at the table of contents and look for something specific you would like to know about the product and it's use.Or when you have troubles look for the section which best relates to it

- You can read the text marked in blue for reports


I also added some images for easier navigation for the eyes and for appeal.

1.Table of contents

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Introduction
1. Table of contents
2. What is Casanova, what was it designed for and why should you use it?
3. Dosage and how to apply
4. Congruence with Casanova
5. Casanova 30 minute strategy
6. Casanova Switching Mones Strategy
7. Using Casanova Normally on a date (more than 30 min)
7.1. For a first date my recommendation is:
7.2 Second date / second meeting
8. Casanova on consecutive days
9. Going sarging with Casanova
10. Casanova and the dreaded reverse imprinting
11. Imprinting with Casanova + Be careful of negative imprinting
12. Kino with Casanova
13. Courting Strategy with Casanova
14. Mixing strategies
15. Tackling Next Day Nukes From Casanova
16. Casanova and Social Dynamics with groups (Dealing with groups, getting girls from groups)
17. Final thoughts



2.What is Casanova, what was it designed for and why should you use it?

Casanova is a blend made by Liquid Alchemy Labs for S1CK jewelry. It's meant to give basically a mysterious and alluring aura, and do a lot of work in the background in terms of attraction. Originally designed for the use of clubs.

In practice it's a very good projection pheromone product that's useful for dates, cold approaching, getting laid, social status, social dynamics and a lot lot more.

Why should you use it? It has some magic, this is a blend that can make you a believer as it gets a lot of cool situations such as the classic deer in the headlights, making girls fall for you, etc.

Also the current legend of Pherotruth is that it attracts tall young models. Which I've found to be accurate most of the time but not always. It works on short girls too lol

It's a beginner friendly mix that can just get you to see stuff, as some pheromones require some steering to get anything done, this one is more forgiving to those who don't know how to wield it. But don't worry by the end of reading this you'll know how to use it like a pro.

Last but not least Casanova is a powerful imprinting product.

3.Dosage and how to apply


I found best that 3-4 spray is where Casanova starts to work, it might work different for you however reading through the Casanova thread you could see that 3-4 spray is the sweet spot for a lot. So let's stick to that, a too low dose of Casanova doesn't give much, so give more but don't overdose on it.

Note when applying, I noticed that you should apply it symmetrically, like if you do a spray on one wrist do on the other one, if you do on one side of the neck do on the other. Maybe it's just me but not following this rule kinda made it work worse according to my logs, so be symmetrical for ex:

- 1 spray on each wrist, 1 spray on Adams apple (center of the neck)
- 1 spray on each wrist, 1 spray on each side of the neck ( this is how I usually apply)

4.Congruence with Casanova

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Let's take a minute to talk about congruence with Casanova, meaning how you should behave to make Casanova work the best for you so you'd get some girls. It's quite important although I will say this is a very forgiving mone to lack of congruence. But just because it won't backfire on you for lack of congruence doesn't mean you shouldn't aim to steer it properly.

To simplify let's break it down to two types of usages:
1) One on one / dating / approaching a single girl
2) Social group / a party / any interaction with multiple people

Let's start with #2 first to get it out of the way, with Casanova you'll most likely get a lot of attention in a social setting. All eyes on you (or at least a lot), people will want to hear you out, and they'll initially smile at you giving you a head start. Have some things to say, stay calm and cool, share some stories, while wearing this I noticed people can laugh and things which aren't funny, even cheesy sarcasm. You'll have to juggle a bit between "talking to the crowd" and talking to the girl which you wanna get(if that's your goal of course).

The mindset I suggest is just be prepared that you'll be perceived as an interesting person, that's as simple as I can give it to you. You're a cool dude who came to their lives an they want a piece of you, own it and give it to them and it'll be fine.

If you goal is just to have fun then stick to the mindset that those people really wanna know you and love you, you're an object of social admiration (no joke). If you wanna get a girl, give her some attention from time to time in the crowd, but remember to return generic attention to the group to, you'll get a feeling when "all eyes on you"

Now to #1, 1 on 1 girl. When you wear Casanova, a girl will FEEL SOMETHING, and she probably won't know what it is, that why often you'll get a stare/deer in the headlight/ smile/ and attention. So the congruence here would be to continue on with the mystery, but really not too much, say hello, start a chat, talk a bit but don't give her all the info. Keep calm and laid back and let her try to figure you out and with that what she feels, girls smile with this mone on you, now your job is to help them rationalize it. Again calm, cool, collected, exchanged of info, be a bit flirty, duel meanings are your friend, having exciting stories help.

The key here is that she's interested, your congruence in a way should be that you own that and from you're perspective that's written in stone: she's already yours. If you break that idea, she'll feel weird. It's easier to explain what not to do: Don't chicken out, don't get yourself reverse imprinted and over emotional, keep the convo going, slightly flirtatious, a degree of mystery and let the mone do the job.

Now let's move on to some strategies I personally uses with this.

5.Casanova 30 minute strategy


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I'll start with this one, cause it's my favorite. Basically the idea is you meet a girl, it can be a new girl on the street, in a cafe, or a girl you already know which had NO PRIOR EXPOSURE TO CASANOVA, preferably also not to any alpha mones, otherwise it won't be as effective. You have to get her talking to you for 30 minutes and then you gotta leave(get the phone number if you haven't done so). Try in the last 5-10 min to evoked some laughter, and/or positive emotions, or extra genuine curiosity towards yourself. The reason you need that is cause we're working the imprint effect to our advantage. Often you'll get girls receptive with this mone, they'll be more open, your job is to engineer that within 30 minute.

If you go over the 30 minutes, you might just override the imprinting you've been doing, as CAS similar to True Love can cause an emotional state. You can work with that, but trust me, if you do this 30 minute strategy and execute it exactly as planned, meaning leaving at the peak of imprinting, the girl will think about you, her imagination will do the rest. (That's not to say you can't use Casanova more than 30 minutes, you can)

If you don't plan on closing her within 30 minutes I recommend only sticking to social touch:
- Handshake
- Shoulder touch
- Back pat
- Etc

You could kiss the girl but be sure you don't get her to reverse/negative imprint on the whole situation. Again this is in the 30 minute strategy.

What happens next:

After you did the 30 minutes and went on your way, wait at least 2h before texting, or text in the next 1-4 days.

If she had a good impression of you, doesn't even have to be amazing she will be receptive and reply to your texts very easily. From here you can either run text game and stall a bit, maybe build a connection and stuff, or just move over to the next date.

I had good results with this approach, had girls calling me and talking for hours on the phone and stuff after getting this exposure of just 30 minutes. Now it sounds like a marketing pitch "30 minutes is all you need":sarcastic_hand: anyway, it gives you a good ground to work with.

Next steps: I recommend going with the Switching Strategy ( meaning using CAS only once and then forgetting about it with the girl ), which I'll explain soon.

6.Casanova Switching Mones Strategy

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Just juggling some pheromones, no biggy


This strategy uses Casanova as the first mone a girl gets exposed to and then you switch to any alpha product you're feeling comfortable with. The switch happens on the next meeting. It worked really well for me countless times, Casanova opened doors made girls receptive, friendly and had the fun vibe, this is like the first impression. You've imprinted yourself in her, after this switch to an alpha product like Bad Wolf, IMPI or something like this that works for you.

I don't recommend switching to Aqua Vitae though, it has it's only rules, somehow I can switch from it to another product but never to it, always turned as a disaster, so to me that's the exception


Then at this meeting date she'll find out a whole new sexual side of you, and she's already receptive so this imprinting that you've previously created (with the 30 minute strategy or just a normal Casanova date/meeting). You're giving a clearer interpretation to her feelings

For me personally I had most like with using first Casanova then Bad Wolf.


I remember this girl at the railway station, I was wearing CAS (again 4 sprays), she was a beautiful blonde and I caught her eye on the escalator going up, towards my direction cause I was standing there, she gave me a slightly long stare than usual, and then walked light passing me about 6 steps to the left then stopped to loo at her phone, so I opened her (I won't mention specifics for the sake of confidentiality). But she immediately smiled and we talked about her travel, then about us, we had 31 minutes as she had to catch the next train but it was enough to get her number and make her smile a lot, the impression was "wow this was so spontaneous, it's so amazing people can meet each other so randomly, I wish it happened more" (of course later in the first year we dated she told me lame guys do approach her and try to get her so this spontaneous thing is her rationalization)

Anyway, what happened during the next weeks was we talked a lot on the phone, she'd call call call, and we'd talk 1,5h all day, we really had similar personalities in a way.

Next meeting we met at the park, I switched to Bad Wolf 3 drops. All was chill she was sending more IOIs, getting jealous of some things I said when telling her stories which involved other girls.

Next meeting we ended up kissing in a bar, she was confused how it happened, because she was interested in someone else and thought they'll be together, she had some plan and now she said "I don't understand why I don't even feel guilty I kissed you.."

a week later we had sex, and were in this sort of lovers relationship


7.Using Casanova Normally on a date (more than 30 min)

You could do this, in fact it might work just as good a the 30 min for some, but then you gotta have your congruence in check(hopefully you read the first part). I would recommend the date not to be more than 2 hours unless you're switching places which will then count as a second date.

The dynamic will change depending one whether it's the first date, second, etc.


7.1. For a first date my recommendation is:

- Obviously evoke positive emotions
- First 15 minute in, get some kino(social), 2-3 touches is enough, don't do more and ninja touches are a no no
- Don't kiss before 45 minutes in, between 45min-1,5h that's fine
- Over 1,5h.. that can work but I don't advice it, just kiss her on the next date

A "successful" first date would be just to get her comfortable with your touch
A "decent" first date would be just having her interested in what you say and showing IOIs

7.2 Second date / second meeting

Here you can either go with the switching of Casanova to something else, or stay with Casanova. If you went with the 30 min strategy, I suggest switching to an alpha product on this date.

If you switched product do what you gotta do to get further to the next step.

If you chose Casanova in this date you should definitely go for the kiss on this date. A different type of sexual escalation can work too (e.g: ass grab, boobing, etc) as long as she's comfortable with it, but your goal is to escalate, failure to do so can decrease the chances, as you're imprinting an image in her mind, she'll feel something, most likely something romantic but if reality doesn't match, it'll backfire most likely and you just end up losing points. Cas is dynamic, you gotta keep going.

A successful second date with CAS is getting a kiss lol
There's no decent option here imo

If you chose to go with another product, you have more room to maneuver and you can get laid even on the 11th date lol. But stalling escalation with CAS doesn't serve anyone, with it's constant imprinting working, that's why I recommend switching.

By the way, it's important you at least try to go for the kiss, even if it doesn't work out at first try. (try again after 10 min lol, unless she's pissed).[/size]


8.Casanova on consecutive days


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Generally try not to do it on consecutive days, as it can get tiring, and you risk reverse imprinting yourself hard, like ultra hard. So generally not recommend. If you do decide to do it, I recommend only doing it on the same girl, like let's say you're out on the weekend in another city and there's this girl you wanna bang, you wanna do x2 days of Casanova? Ok. But don't go sarging/approaching girls two days consecutively, even if you're not nuked, you will notice that you get less effective results if you apply Casanova on the second day, it could be cause those are very persistent molecules and doing a second day results in some sort of OD.

If you decide to do it, I only recommend it on the same girl, as an imprinting bomb. Keep in mind, this is a very big risk strategy, sure the reward can be great, but over imprinting might confuse the girl. But it can work if she didn't get imprinted the first time.

9.Going sarging with Casanova

You can absolutely go sarging(approaching/searching for girls) with Casanova, just not on consecutive days. It works well both in the winter and in the summer. Since it's an attention grabbing mone I recommend you to get girls to notice you first, Casanova increases the odds girl will stare at you and wonder 'what's that about you', give them like 5-7 seconds to stare, and then approach and talk.

If it's a warm approach, good do the talk keep it short to 15 min build some curiosity and then go for the number(best to arrange some date in the future). If it's a cold approach just show that you're not threatening, remember there's attracting in the background, mystery is your friend, find a common topic and a reason for her giving you the contact. Curiosity and mystery are you friend, CAS makes girl wonder, so utilize that.



10.Casanova and the dreaded reverse imprinting

Casanova is a double edge sword in the imprinting sense of it, it can imprint you as well, making you emotionally vulnerable and depending on the case, making you fall for a girl, or making you feel like shit and highly emotionally effected by you. To avoid this ultimately you'll want to develop an iron mind and self control, but you could also put a drop of a strong self effect pheromone under your nose, one that gives you some nice self effects, like Bad Wolf. Do a small amount so it won't interfere with CAS working.

For an iron mind, mindfulness, meditation and hypnosis help, also a strong body so keep training

11. Imprinting with Casanova + Be careful of negative imprinting


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When I read people talking about imprinting I get the impression that suddenly on the forum imprinting means falling in love and negative imprinting means you got emotionally fucked. In truth I found that there's more to it than that, you can imprint lots of things. But lets stat with the definition of imprinting:

In psychology and ethology, imprinting is any kind of phase-sensitive learning (learning occurring at a particular age or a particular life stage) that is rapid and apparently independent of the consequences of behavior. It was first used to describe situations in which an animal or person learns the characteristics of some stimulus, which is therefore said to be "imprinted" onto the subject. Imprinting is hypothesized to have a critical period. - Credit Wikipedia

I noticed that while wearing CAS and being out with girls, doing something like a neg or a mean joke can be very.. risky at times. My behavior is pretty well calibrated, I pick up on body language cues and social cues very fast. But with CAS it seems like a lot of things are just amplified..let's say you're out with a girl walking in the park or the riverside everything is nice you share some info, laugh, relax you get an amplification of those feelings a lot, you're in the process of imprinting (well CAS is, you're just doing what you're doing) suddenly you tell her something, an innocent neg about her talking too fast, suddenly boom a frown comes and the next 5 minutes she's sour. It's not a deal breaker if you didn't go far, but still it's something that annoyed me at times, with some girls with CAS they're sensitive to tiny shit like that. That wouldn't be happening while I'm wearing for ex Bad Wolf.

So how do we deal with this? We wanna be the fun playful guy, not the one trying to keep it safe. Here are the best tips I can give you:

1) Don't try to be the Bad Boy with Casanova, on her like you can tell her stuff about you being a bad boy with other people but don't mack it on her you're a badass
2) Don't do offensive jokes
3) When she's feeling super happy, and laughing (the first phase of it) don't interfere, look at it as Cas doing it's magic, once that phase is complete you can do some jokes on her(with her) if you want

The key is, that Cas is always doing imprinting on both of you, it hits the olfactory system hard, so go in tandem with it! Load her rationality with the ideas you want her to feel, one by one, let them sink. It's like shooting bullets, shoot them one by one for the best accuracy, if you shoot like a machine gun it might miss, cause that target is small.

12. Kino with Casanova

The touch with CAS should be very gradual. As mentioned previously I recommend for the first date to have only social touches, you can kiss her but not too soon.

First date kino: hands, shoulders, back a bit, arms(with some calibration) + optional kiss
Second date: kiss(at least try to kiss), slightly make out
Third date: from her if she was cool with the 2nd date you should aim to the bedroom.

Don't be afraid if your kiss is rejected, most important don't let that interrupt your flow. All was going good but she showed you the cheek/moved away? No problem, continue talking as if nothing happened. Doing otherwise will interrupt the flow of Casanova but if you continue normally and spark a smile again, then try again and you'll up your chances by 30% at least.

I've had such a girl that it took me 3 tries to kiss her, 1,2 times she moved away, but she was very positive, all interaction showed IOIs, but didn't wanna escalate I wasn't effected, continued as normal after 10 minutes, tried again, again rejected ok we talk playfully laugh 3rd time we kissed, maked out, I found of she was wet as hell and we fucked.

Side note: This method is popular in the German school of seduction(don't know which one) so I've heard, but they don't have Casanova.

I'm mentioning this as an example of Casanova always working, girls often rationalize stuff, with Casanova it's even worse, you've gotta stir it, it could be she's having fun and wants you but Casanova makes her feel weird and when you kiss she feels weird. Now I don't mean this as kiss her at any cost, be able to know when a no is a no and when a no is a "try to seduce me".

Recommended: Research about the Cuban mindset of seduction where they know when a no is a no and a no is a yes.


13. Courting Strategy with Casanova


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I don't really use this one as it takes time but it's good if for example you have a girl you which you can meet in a specific place like a waitress, a shop seller, a uni profesor, whatever. Wouldn't recommend doing it with your direct co-workers you're forced to see everyday but rather people you see once in a while.

Anyway the idea is simple: Choose a target, let's take a girl from a shop you like. Your job is to periodically meet this girl while wearing CAS. It works better if you meet this girl for the first time with Casanova on (meaning she see's your for the first time while wearing it), but it can work with someone you know.

Basically periodically go meet this person, and talk to them.

There's two types of approaches here.

1) Courting as in just seeing this person and like meeting them around 9 times without taking any number or social contact.

2) During one of the meetings (can be even the first) you take her contact, and then you periodically meet her in the same place where she works.

Option 1# gives you a bit more mystery to work with, you come and go even if she asks your contact you can refuse initially, saying you'll be back again sometimes. It's kinda like those flaky girls who don't wanna give you their contact saying "we'll meet someday I come here often, next time we'll meet". Now saying this to a girl can drive her crazy, but it can be risky if you didn't spark attraction so keep that in mind.[/color]

Option #2 gives you basically an option to have more power and switching from the courting strategy to just dating as you wish.

Anyway let's talk about this, I will explain this with an example where I've actually used this:

There was this one girl working in a jewelry shop, she was 21 years old model face and had the most beautiful teeth I've ever seen, pearly white but better than any Hollywood smile I've seen. So she was working there. The first time I saw her I decided to get back home and put some mones as I was going on base that day. 4 spays of CAS, two on the neck 1 spray on each wrist and I went to that shop.

I came there and she immediately opened me with a smile saying good day. I started just to walk around that small shop, just looking at stuff and examining it as if I'm really interested. I went to the amber section and she was like saying "those are amber stones, it's our specialty here.." and she walked to me, damn she was hot. And we started to talk about it for 2 min, then I asked her like if she likes this job and how she's treated there, I felt she appreciated this small shift from "customer to seller" to "human to human" so we started to talk, I got to know she's a student, she liked the job but has big dreams, to shorten the conversation we had some deep talks and she gave me some smiles, she touched her her, some basic IOIs you get from girls. I got to know she has a bf. Didn't really know anything else about it, so we talked, and I said I must leave to do business, and I'll see you around.

I didn't really intend on stealing her but I go in that area she works in a lot anyway, so I figured I'll just jump in once every 5-7 days to chit chat, why not.

So the next week on a Sunday I again was in the area and decided to see this girl again. Again she smiled at me, this time kinda slightly wide I guess. She said "Hello! I remember you, but I forgot your name", I teased her on it how could she forget it, didn't she like the conversation and she was like "no on I did! really! It felt so nice, and so genuine..usually people don't care about the person behind the counter, or some weirdos want to ask me out"
-"tell them you have a bf"
-"some don't really care about it"

This was a perfect opportunity to find out a bit how serious their relationship is.Cause remember bros, no girl is fully single and no girl is fully tamed.

I got to know she's generally ok in her relationship, not overly enthusiastic about it somehow, mind you this was like a long talk and in the background people are coming and looking at the shop items, she hasn't really approached them like she did to me, kinda ignored them.

The clients left and we were alone again, again a very nice conversation, I said again I gotta go and she asked me if I have an ig, I said I don't use it, but I'll be back, and then I went on.

So the next time was in 10 days
the next was in a 7 days,
next in 5, in those meeting nothing special happened in that 7 days one for ex she was first happy then kinda off/moody, next time more happy.

Until one time when I came she was super happy to see me. And wanted to keep talking to me longer, turns out she got somehow bored/burned out/fire extinguished in her relationship a bit and it was kind making her feel unsatisfied. I'm not sure if they took a break from each other cause what she said was very vague, but it still kinda looked like an invitation and the guy was away from what she said. So I (finally) offered her to go out somewhere together to what she was really happy cause she thought I wasn't interested cause I never gave contacts and always left.

Long story short, we went for some wine and she was ultra easy going, receptive, felt like she was flirting with me more than I was with her. We ended up making out that night.



So basically the idea is very simple, expose yourself with CAS on to your target for a long period of time. Then when you feel you've built enough Casanova magic go for it. This can wok out nice, I won't promise anyone it's a full proof method, but if you have a cutie somewhere you walk around and see often you could give it a go, it's a great way to reinforce the Casanova imprinting with a very little risk of the girl getting a negative imprint from you, as opposed to using Cas on consecutive days where the risk is high. Also this is long, and if you're doing it on multiple girls it can take a while till you actually bear fruits. But if it works the result is very impressive, Disney style true love stuff.

I usually did like 2-3 "courting sessions" and then take the number and switch to a dating strategy. And a lot of the time switch mones.


14. Mixing strategies

I wrote a few ways to use CAS but don't let that make you feel limited, you can take element of them and mix them around, though my personal suggestion is to give a ty to each way you feel resonates with you first. I'll give two points though:

- 30 min CAS strategy can be mixed with everything, you can throw it into the courting, like for example on the first meeting you'll just do exactly as the 30 min with Casanova Strategy, then you'll just switch to courting next meetings. T

- Switching mones, I'm pretty confident you can switch products while using any of the strategies I mentioned, but if you do it with the courting, I suggest you switch to just going normal dating/seducing, don't go for 5 weeks seeing a girl with Bad Wolf and not escalating, it doesn't make sense,, if you courted and switched invite her out and do what you're normally doing with that other product, the initial effect of CAS will make the girl more receptive to you.

15.Tackling Next Day Nukes From Casanova

So a lot of people claim to have next day nukes and feeling worse next day after using it. For me I don't get "nuked", but it does give me often a 5~12% less energy the next day. If I'm after a workout and my muscles are strained, next day I'll feel them a lot more strained. Also for me it kinda gives a throat irritation sometimes.

I believe the pheromones themselves in the mix are not the blame but rather the supporting chemicals, there's some unnatural stuff there. And I feel the 'nuke' is like an immune response.

Anyway, I counter it by consuming Cetraria islandica, also known as true Iceland lichen, during the time I wear CAS can be like once every 2-3 hours, combined with something that contains Amylmetacresol (just get strepsils lol). If I do this I feel zero next day effects, no less power no nothing. But vary if you use CAS on consecutive days, you'll need to consume a lot more of this stuff, as the CAS nuke is kinda exponential.

This is how I deal with it and it helps me a lot, I can't promise you it'll help you but it's worth a try.

DHEA supplements also can help, I've read reports on the forum.

Stay hydrated (that's also important)

16.Casanova and Social Dynamics with groups (Dealing with groups, getting girls from groups)

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Casanova really shines when dealing with groups of people especially in gatherings such as:

- Birthday parties with girls (guys can be there too)
- Gatherings of work/school/uni
- General events in the city where people are open
- Student parties and events (!!)
- Karaoke nights
And so on

As I've mentioned before, CAS pulls a lot of interest towards you from people, they'll feel you're something they'll smile and laugh more easily, and laugh at some dry jokes which even aren't that funny.

If you want to get a girl, just keep your attention at first 70% on the group 30% on the girl, later shift it towards around 60% on the girl 40%, aim for getting the contact, that's the easiest thing to do. How do you do that?

Fairly simple, CAS gives you a head start with having the girl give you interest and attention, she's interested at the feeling she's feeling, talk to her, find some common things you like doing.
If you both like going wine tasting tell her you could go sometimes and do that, or squirrel feeding or whatever, rock climbing, doesn't matter you don't even have to do it later, your goal is to get the contact. After you get the number continue talking to the group and occasionally talk to her. If your job is done and you don't wanna stay, stay at least 20-30 min more in the meeting so it wouldn't look like all you've been trying to do is score a number. Or you can move and mingle to another group, same drill

An exception to the rule of Casanova being king in social situations

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This is something interesting I found has happened. Every time I went out with Casanova to a group gather, I had a good time, however I found an exception to this rule. If you meet up with a group of young girls like 18-20 the vibe can get.. controversial. If I got 1 on 1 with girls it doesn't happen statistically but in the few times I had an interaction with multiple young girls, the aura was kinda hmm.. off? wrong? there was some blockage.

Perhaps this boils down to my style of being but I tried L2K V1 in similar settings and had a different result. Perhaps the imprinting messes things up and they give each other weird signals. Or their own pheromones/hormones start to fire weird signals.

Anyway I'll give you an example.

I was supposed to meet up with one girl 19yo, she's a 9/10 we interacted well online, on the phone and on video chat, like all should've went well, I know this shit, she wanted to meet up with me with her two friends, one was 18 and an 8, the other was a 7. We arrived at the meeting point

It was all nice, each one of them gave me a hug and we started to talk, initially it was like:
- good conversation
- 9 was giving lots of smiles, iois, touched my arm
- 7 was reserved but smiling listening with curiosity
- 8 was neutral and a bit off, stared deer in the headlight a bit

All seems good till now right? Well the issue started to go south with the 8.

She started to be kinda less talkative, while the others had fun, the 7 picked up on it kinda and started also to be a bit less enthusiastic, slowly the 9 which liked me the most started to lose her spark too. Mind you it's not like in 15 minutes, it all looked gradual and later we still hung out but I felt the potential to charm the girl was very very low somehow. They still smiled, still told stories, but you kinda feel when there's a spark and a fire, and it wasn't there.

After this meeting the girl kinda got distanced, so I didn't even pursue her, perhaps someday I'll write her again and let you guy know. You can count this as negative imprinting.


17. Final thoughts


I think it's a great product, for a long time it used to be my favorite product. It's great for people who want to become believers and just feel how pheromones can sometimes do things on their own. You can often get a lot of social experience and improve yourself on the way.

It's a powerful imprinting tool, you can sure it in various ways on girls and people in general.

It has it's downsides with tiring,nuking and potential reverse imprinting. But overall I think at the right times this is just what many people need

One of my ALL-TIME FAVORITE mones I have a LOVE/HATE relationship with.   ;D

TracerX I'm glad your Casanova guide hasn't been lost to the ages. Thanks for reposting it here.

Great guide, I'm about to order  ;D

How good of a social is CAS? Has anyone compared it to Aura of Amity or Glace if they had used that in the past?

Definitive guide for Casanova. Thanks to this now I am thinking of buying CAS after True Love lol my bank account is suffering

I think you can get a sample from aromafero for cheaper.

I think CAS is too social an imprinter and lacks a sexual punch.  It's greatest strength is conversation and conversation is not the best way to get hot women into bed.

Too easy to end up in the FZ with CAS.  Women flock to you cause your the ultimate gent not necessarily because their thinking about sex.

I'm thinking there is a battle between slayer and CAs.  Slayer pulls 25-30 yo women who seem to see you more as a challenge than a gent.   

I can't decide which I like better.

I guess I like both.  But neither is better than the undisputed King M3x 2017.  RIP.

Quote from: Dsouza on Jan 22, 2024, 04:33 PMI think CAS is too social an imprinter and lacks a sexual punch.  It's greatest strength is conversation and conversation is not the best way to get hot women into bed.

Too easy to end up in the FZ with CAS.  Women flock to you cause your the ultimate gent not necessarily because their thinking about sex.

I'm thinking there is a battle between slayer and CAs.  Slayer pulls 25-30 yo women who seem to see you more as a challenge than a gent.   

I can't decide which I like better.

I guess I like both.  But neither is better than the undisputed King M3x 2017.  RIP.

There is an interesting point to be made with CAS, it's style of seducing a woman is different from BW or Unresistible. To simplify this as much as possible due to everyone having their our rationalization of how products work I'll say:

Bad Wolf is a sexual first product, obvious, you put it on, you're perceived as a strong sexual being (of high alpha status too), which makes her body react to it. Casanova is kinda.. captivates the soul first, it makes the girl fall for you (imprinting and all that), and it's a bit of a different path than just raw sexual energy. Both have sexual elements but it's different.

To simplify even more, CAS would be got for a fall-in-love, relationship scenario and which you do get sex, but if you don't steer it accordingly it'll just take a bit longer. That's why I think you're experiencing the FZ thingy, cause it might just not be your style of seduction.

I've basically given up on CAS .. At least for now.  I wore it today 4 sprays.

To a food court and bar.

All it pulled seemed to be very young girls like 16-22.  Taller the better.

All in all a great product, and very little negative effects except for post day sleeping in, but focused on the younger target groups.  If you're in college this is a great one to pickup.

I'm going back to Slayer.... another level... But not quite M3X 2017 level.

Seemed my latest experience with it was pretty much like spraying water on myself, albeit I hadn't tried going up to 4 sprays. I may try that before I totally throw it into the deep back of the box.

Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jan 28, 2024, 05:32 AMSeemed my latest experience with it was pretty much like spraying water on myself, albeit I hadn't tried going up to 4 sprays. I may try that before I totally throw it into the deep back of the box.

For me it's magic happened at 4 sprays, 2 sprays is nothing for me, 3 maybe I "felt something" but all my CAS reports were always with 4 sprays, and that is the amount I've used for years. It's also the amount others on the old pt reported to be good

A couple of days ago I tried 4 sprays of Cas unscented. Nothing noteworthy was noticed but, then again, it's winter where I am. Perhaps a bit too cold to effectively throw a good cloud.

Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jan 30, 2024, 07:38 PMA couple of days ago I tried 4 sprays of Cas unscented. Nothing noteworthy was noticed but, then again, it's winter where I am. Perhaps a bit too cold to effectively throw a good cloud.

Me also, Cas did nothing for me like water.
Maybe our body chemistry or our age that's why it didn't work for us,
I'm 46 years old now. By the way .

Quote from: Artist Sam1 on Feb 08, 2024, 09:40 PM

Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jan 30, 2024, 07:38 PMA couple of days ago I tried 4 sprays of Cas unscented. Nothing noteworthy was noticed but, then again, it's winter where I am. Perhaps a bit too cold to effectively throw a good cloud.

Me also, Cas did nothing for me like water.
Maybe our body chemistry or our age that's why it didn't work for us,
I'm 46 years old now. By the way .

I've got about 15 on you, my friend. I'm sure my body chemistry is likely a bit more challenging.

Could it be that the Casanova pheroblend TracerX was reporting was prior to the changes that S1CK made? The one Gary formulated, because after S1CK tempered with the formula a lot of people were complaining

I bought the original Casanova directly from S1CK, it's the only product I ever purchased from them directly, and it worked well, I recall there were two options having the original one and some changed scent. If you have an option buy the original in every mone product you can.

I bought it in 2021 I believe, however, I can't know for sure when this copy was made, it didn't come with a box or anything, just a bottle wrapped in bubble wrap.

Most people don't feel anything until 3 sprays that's as per the original CAS thread, for me only 4 sprays work and it works when I apply at the following point: 1 on the left wrist, 1 one on the right, one on the left side of the neck and one on the right, and the work is done. I don't shake or anything

I read every Casanova thread on the old forum before buying my bottle, there were people in there 40s and 50s who it worked for them. For Dsouza it works but he pays the price of getting nuked.

And about the cold, Cas worked for me in one winter where it was about -6 degrees. It got me a Russian girl for an instant date, later another date when I kiss-closed her, and she got imprinted hard. But I don't have a lot of instances of doing pickups outside in the cold. ETFZ spray also worked in cold weathers.

But guys it could be due to body chemistry of course, however I got used to the fact LAL product have some effect for everyone even if it's not the perfect product you feel something.

Quote from: TracerX on Feb 10, 2024, 10:00 AMI read every Casanova thread on the old forum before buying my bottle, there were people in there 40s and 50s who it worked for them. For Dsouza it works but he pays the price of getting nuked.

And about the cold, Cas worked for me in one winter where it was about -6 degrees. It got me a Russian girl for an instant date, later another date when I kiss-closed her, and she got imprinted hard. But I don't have a lot of instances of doing pickups outside in the cold. ETFZ spray also worked in cold weathers.

But guys it could be due to body chemistry of course, however I got used to the fact LAL product have some effect for everyone even if it's not the perfect product you feel something.

Do you really believe ETFZ is a pickup product?  Did you ever close with it?  I didn't read anything good about it on the old PT FORUM.

Quote from: Dsouza on Feb 13, 2024, 04:11 PM

Quote from: TracerX on Feb 10, 2024, 10:00 AMI read every Casanova thread on the old forum before buying my bottle, there were people in there 40s and 50s who it worked for them. For Dsouza it works but he pays the price of getting nuked.

And about the cold, Cas worked for me in one winter where it was about -6 degrees. It got me a Russian girl for an instant date, later another date when I kiss-closed her, and she got imprinted hard. But I don't have a lot of instances of doing pickups outside in the cold. ETFZ spray also worked in cold weathers.

But guys it could be due to body chemistry of course, however I got used to the fact LAL product have some effect for everyone even if it's not the perfect product you feel something.

Do you really believe ETFZ is a pickup product?  Did you ever close with it?  I didn't read anything good about it on the old PT FORUM.

Not entirely solo, I used it to get numbers and then on the date switch to a more arousing mone to close.
I also used it to get out of a friends with benifits and then switched to BW and closed. Using it solely no I did not. I  find that just for like dating it's so.... laid back like things happen on auto pilot, kinda like a light version of voodoo with some l2k added to it, it's like...slow chill no rush.

But yes I think it's a great product, it's a product that in the rainy days( literally ) women would manifest and initiate.

Quote from: TracerX on Feb 13, 2024, 06:57 PM

Quote from: Dsouza on Feb 13, 2024, 04:11 PM

Quote from: TracerX on Feb 10, 2024, 10:00 AMI read every Casanova thread on the old forum before buying my bottle, there were people in there 40s and 50s who it worked for them. For Dsouza it works but he pays the price of getting nuked.

And about the cold, Cas worked for me in one winter where it was about -6 degrees. It got me a Russian girl for an instant date, later another date when I kiss-closed her, and she got imprinted hard. But I don't have a lot of instances of doing pickups outside in the cold. ETFZ spray also worked in cold weathers.

But guys it could be due to body chemistry of course, however I got used to the fact LAL product have some effect for everyone even if it's not the perfect product you feel something.

Do you really believe ETFZ is a pickup product?  Did you ever close with it?  I didn't read anything good about it on the old PT FORUM.

Not entirely solo, I used it to get numbers and then on the date switch to a more arousing mone to close.
I also used it to get out of a friends with benifits and then switched to BW and closed. Using it solely no I did not. I  find that just for like dating it's so.... laid back like things happen on auto pilot, kinda like a light version of voodoo with some l2k added to it, it's like...slow chill no rush.

But yes I think it's a great product, it's a product that in the rainy days( literally ) women would manifest and initiate.

DId ETFZ work in bars or on the street mostly?  What age and nationalities of women did it pull?  What were your dosages and app points.

EDITED TO ADD:  ETFZ. I have never used it before and it was fairly inexpensive to purchase.  On the way! 2-3 weeks delivery.

Quote from: Dsouza on Feb 13, 2024, 07:07 PM

Quote from: TracerX on Feb 13, 2024, 06:57 PM

Quote from: Dsouza on Feb 13, 2024, 04:11 PM

Quote from: TracerX on Feb 10, 2024, 10:00 AMI read every Casanova thread on the old forum before buying my bottle, there were people in there 40s and 50s who it worked for them. For Dsouza it works but he pays the price of getting nuked.

And about the cold, Cas worked for me in one winter where it was about -6 degrees. It got me a Russian girl for an instant date, later another date when I kiss-closed her, and she got imprinted hard. But I don't have a lot of instances of doing pickups outside in the cold. ETFZ spray also worked in cold weathers.

But guys it could be due to body chemistry of course, however I got used to the fact LAL product have some effect for everyone even if it's not the perfect product you feel something.

Do you really believe ETFZ is a pickup product?  Did you ever close with it?  I didn't read anything good about it on the old PT FORUM.

Not entirely solo, I used it to get numbers and then on the date switch to a more arousing mone to close.
I also used it to get out of a friends with benifits and then switched to BW and closed. Using it solely no I did not. I  find that just for like dating it's so.... laid back like things happen on auto pilot, kinda like a light version of voodoo with some l2k added to it, it's like...slow chill no rush.

But yes I think it's a great product, it's a product that in the rainy days( literally ) women would manifest and initiate.

DId ETFZ work in bars or on the street mostly?  What age and nationalities of women did it pull?  What were your dosages and app points.

EDITED TO ADD:  ETFZ. I have never used it before and it was fairly inexpensive to purchase.  On the way! 2-3 weeks delivery.

18-35, I used this mostly outside, however, I do recall waitresses smiling more and like there was something magnetic there. Write Europeans bro, works magic on introverts

Quote from: TracerX on Feb 14, 2024, 05:25 AM18-35, I used this mostly outside, however, I do recall waitresses smiling more and like there was something magnetic there. Write Europeans bro, works magic on introverts

Did it pulls hotties like CAS? Pull any 9's?

They have almost doubled the price of there products on Sick jewellery and AF are always out of stock. There testers were 30 bucks now 80, ludicrous price gouging.Can we buy them on Garys site?

How would you guys describe the scent of Casanova?  I purchased a sample of Casanova from aromafero which smelled a bit sweet and floral. Got a few compliments from it. Then I purchased a full bottle from s1ck and it smelled strongly of sandalwood but not nearly as floral. Both were the original scents not the second version.

Do I believe in being a mone hoarder ?  Yes I do.  Got two full bottles of authentic Casanova original formula that I'm rationing over the next 6 years!  👍

Quote from: nephil on Mar 04, 2024, 12:13 AMHow would you guys describe the scent of Casanova?  I purchased a sample of Casanova from aromafero which smelled a bit sweet and floral. Got a few compliments from it. Then I purchased a full bottle from s1ck and it smelled strongly of sandalwood but not nearly as floral. Both were the original scents not the second version.

May I ask when you ordered it from AromaFero? You are not the first to mention different odors with the supposedly same product. Even with other products such as BadWolf this was the case.

Quote from: mahalo silver on Feb 28, 2024, 06:04 AMThey have almost doubled the price of there products on Sick jewellery and AF are always out of stock. There testers were 30 bucks now 80, ludicrous price gouging.Can we buy them on Garys site?

Gary just formulates the pheromone blends for them, I think they ( S1CK) just add their own fragrances I believe.

My theory could be that they don't supply to aromafero anymore, hence the doubled price tags therefore you have no choice but to buy from them directly.

Quote from: DaBrain™ on Mar 04, 2024, 03:29 AM

Quote from: nephil on Mar 04, 2024, 12:13 AMHow would you guys describe the scent of Casanova?  I purchased a sample of Casanova from aromafero which smelled a bit sweet and floral. Got a few compliments from it. Then I purchased a full bottle from s1ck and it smelled strongly of sandalwood but not nearly as floral. Both were the original scents not the second version.

May I ask when you ordered it from AromaFero? You are not the first to mention different odors with the supposedly same product. Even with other products such as BadWolf this was the case.

2019. Got the one from s1ck in 2020.

so the Million dollar question is whether Cas is still worth it?or are Sic becoming the new androtics in the industry with there price hikes? 

So far with my lack of any IoIs I'm not enthused about any of the S1CK blends, although my AlphaQ (purchased 3/21) does seem to work. Nothing from Cas (purchased 3/21) nor Cas unscented (purchased 7/23). Also have Cas oil purchased in 2023 and wondering if that's going to be a dud, too.

Quote from: Johnny Fever on Mar 06, 2024, 04:58 PMSo far with my lack of any IoIs I'm not enthused about any of the S1CK blends, although my AlphaQ (purchased 3/21) does seem to work. Nothing from Cas (purchased 3/21) nor Cas unscented (purchased 7/23). Also have Cas oil purchased in 2023 and wondering if that's going to be a dud, too.

What dosages have you tried so far? And may I ask how old you are?

Quote from: DaBrain™ on Mar 07, 2024, 05:56 AM

Quote from: Johnny Fever on Mar 06, 2024, 04:58 PMSo far with my lack of any IoIs I'm not enthused about any of the S1CK blends, although my AlphaQ (purchased 3/21) does seem to work. Nothing from Cas (purchased 3/21) nor Cas unscented (purchased 7/23). Also have Cas oil purchased in 2023 and wondering if that's going to be a dud, too.

What dosages have you tried so far? And may I ask how old you are?

Doses from 2 to 4+. My age is late 50s+

Quote from: Johnny Fever on Mar 07, 2024, 05:03 PM

Quote from: DaBrain™ on Mar 07, 2024, 05:56 AM

Quote from: Johnny Fever on Mar 06, 2024, 04:58 PMSo far with my lack of any IoIs I'm not enthused about any of the S1CK blends, although my AlphaQ (purchased 3/21) does seem to work. Nothing from Cas (purchased 3/21) nor Cas unscented (purchased 7/23). Also have Cas oil purchased in 2023 and wondering if that's going to be a dud, too.

What dosages have you tried so far? And may I ask how old you are?

Doses from 2 to 4+. My age is late 50s+

I have ordered the travel sizes (directly from s1ck) and will compare them with the orders from AromaFero.
I'll report back as soon as I have results on the different dosages.

Quote from: Johnny Fever on Feb 09, 2024, 02:44 AMI've got about 15 on you, my friend. I'm sure my body chemistry is likely a bit more challenging.

Exactly bro,
Some LAL's products don't work with my body chemistry, maybe we need more concentrated products.
I usually use PXS products and they are working great for me, they are very concentrated and well buffered,i think this is the reason.

Every one of Garry's products have worked for me to some extent.

Which works better to COLD APPROACH women off the street AV OR CAS?  Ideally,  you'd want to cold approach to conversation to coffee to kissing.  At worst case from cold approach to conversation to phone inumber.

For those who do cold approach which is the best bet here?

Keep in mind status doesn't equate to seduction.  My SO just told me AV is status more like a boss.  Casanova is less status but more seduction.  That's just her viewpoint it may not be true of other women.

Quote from: Dsouza on Mar 20, 2024, 10:21 AMKeep in mind status doesn't equate to seduction.

Why would you say this?

Quote from: Zeromn on Mar 20, 2024, 11:00 AM

Quote from: Dsouza on Mar 20, 2024, 10:21 AMKeep in mind status doesn't equate to seduction.

Why would you say this?

It's pretty much a given that status mones are good for business and social sexual , or sexual mones are good for seduction.  Imprinting sexuals mones can aid in a relationship.

Status is more like "potential to seduce", just as there is potential energy in nature that might never really come to transmute to an actual force.

I've seen and still see a lot of examples of guys without any status (who could be drunk and abusive end or like whatever) who have decent girls. There are girls out there who are solely after status and stimulation, that's not really the kind of girl you want.

Generally speaking, status does help as it generally signifies resources and a degree of security for the girl. Also, we're all spoon-fed by the media that it's the guys with the status are the only ones who seduce.

To answer the question of which is better for cold approach depends really on the approach. They create a different vibe. For AV you'd have A LOT more success if you're decent if quick number getting:

Going up, talking to the girl for 5 min, sparking curiosity and getting the number. If you're one of those guys AV is the way to go. My record of getting a number with AV on me was around 30 seconds and this was not even planned. But it hit the girl well.

But for Casanova, a good 30 minute talk works like a charm, I would say you'd need at least 15 minutes for consistent number-getting.

I prefer AV in this case just cause it's more time-efficient.

But with all that being said there's plenty of ways to seduce, pickup, and get girls. You just have to find what works for you. Same goes for the mones.

Quote from: TracerX on Mar 21, 2024, 11:46 AMStatus is more like "potential to seduce", just as there is potential energy in nature that might never really come to transmute to an actual force.

I've seen and still see a lot of examples of guys without any status (who could be drunk and abusive end or like whatever) who have decent girls. There are girls out there who are solely after status and stimulation, that's not really the kind of girl you want.

Generally speaking, status does help as it generally signifies resources and a degree of security for the girl. Also, we're all spoon-fed by the media that it's the guys with the status are the only ones who seduce.

To answer the question of which is better for cold approach depends really on the approach. They create a different vibe. For AV you'd have A LOT more success if you're decent if quick number getting:

Going up, talking to the girl for 5 min, sparking curiosity and getting the number. If you're one of those guys AV is the way to go. My record of getting a number with AV on me was around 30 seconds and this was not even planned. But it hit the girl well.

But for Casanova, a good 30 minute talk works like a charm, I would say you'd need at least 15 minutes for consistent number-getting.

I prefer AV in this case just cause it's more time-efficient.

But with all that being said there's plenty of ways to seduce, pickup, and get girls. You just have to find what works for you. Same goes for the mones.

In this case I would declare AV the winner. The longer you spend having to converse with a girl before you try get her contact the more chance you have of saying something that may work against you. In this case, with AV the less time you need the less chance of saying something that will screw it up. Speed of the number close wins out as there is less chance if errors through a piece of poor communication.

Yes, I've gone through a whole bottle of AV. Whilst it gave me some of the most blatant IOIs I've ever got from women, I'm more the conversation guy, so it doesn't suit my style. Wish I had the ability to close out a girls contact in under a minute.

Quote from: TracerX on Mar 21, 2024, 11:46 AMStatus is more like "potential to seduce", just as there is potential energy in nature that might never really come to transmute to an actual force.

I've seen and still see a lot of examples of guys without any status (who could be drunk and abusive end or like whatever) who have decent girls. There are girls out there who are solely after status and stimulation, that's not really the kind of girl you want.

Generally speaking, status does help as it generally signifies resources and a degree of security for the girl. Also, we're all spoon-fed by the media that it's the guys with the status are the only ones who seduce.

To answer the question of which is better for cold approach depends really on the approach. They create a different vibe. For AV you'd have A LOT more success if you're decent if quick number getting:

Going up, talking to the girl for 5 min, sparking curiosity and getting the number. If you're one of those guys AV is the way to go. My record of getting a number with AV on me was around 30 seconds and this was not even planned. But it hit the girl well.

But for Casanova, a good 30 minute talk works like a charm, I would say you'd need at least 15 minutes for consistent number-getting.

I prefer AV in this case just cause it's more time-efficient.

But with all that being said there's plenty of ways to seduce, pickup, and get girls. You just have to find what works for you. Same goes for the mones.

What was your main technique to number close effectively with AV.  And how did you get these numbers not to flake?

Quote from: Dsouza on Mar 27, 2024, 01:46 PM

Quote from: TracerX on Mar 21, 2024, 11:46 AMStatus is more like "potential to seduce", just as there is potential energy in nature that might never really come to transmute to an actual force.

I've seen and still see a lot of examples of guys without any status (who could be drunk and abusive end or like whatever) who have decent girls. There are girls out there who are solely after status and stimulation, that's not really the kind of girl you want.

Generally speaking, status does help as it generally signifies resources and a degree of security for the girl. Also, we're all spoon-fed by the media that it's the guys with the status are the only ones who seduce.

To answer the question of which is better for cold approach depends really on the approach. They create a different vibe. For AV you'd have A LOT more success if you're decent if quick number getting:

Going up, talking to the girl for 5 min, sparking curiosity and getting the number. If you're one of those guys AV is the way to go. My record of getting a number with AV on me was around 30 seconds and this was not even planned. But it hit the girl well.

But for Casanova, a good 30 minute talk works like a charm, I would say you'd need at least 15 minutes for consistent number-getting.

I prefer AV in this case just cause it's more time-efficient.

But with all that being said there's plenty of ways to seduce, pickup, and get girls. You just have to find what works for you. Same goes for the mones.

What was your main technique to number close effectively with AV.  And how did you get these numbers not to flake?

The technique is to keep the conversation brief 3-5 minute, create a nice vibe and close and go away. Most followed up, there was a small amount that didn't answer afterwards as with everything. Later if they don't wanna go immediately on a date get to know them, call them and talk a bit, that is all.

Quote from: TracerX on Mar 27, 2024, 03:11 PM

Quote from: Dsouza on Mar 27, 2024, 01:46 PM

Quote from: TracerX on Mar 21, 2024, 11:46 AMStatus is more like "potential to seduce", just as there is potential energy in nature that might never really come to transmute to an actual force.

I've seen and still see a lot of examples of guys without any status (who could be drunk and abusive end or like whatever) who have decent girls. There are girls out there who are solely after status and stimulation, that's not really the kind of girl you want.

Generally speaking, status does help as it generally signifies resources and a degree of security for the girl. Also, we're all spoon-fed by the media that it's the guys with the status are the only ones who seduce.

To answer the question of which is better for cold approach depends really on the approach. They create a different vibe. For AV you'd have A LOT more success if you're decent if quick number getting:

Going up, talking to the girl for 5 min, sparking curiosity and getting the number. If you're one of those guys AV is the way to go. My record of getting a number with AV on me was around 30 seconds and this was not even planned. But it hit the girl well.

But for Casanova, a good 30 minute talk works like a charm, I would say you'd need at least 15 minutes for consistent number-getting.

I prefer AV in this case just cause it's more time-efficient.

But with all that being said there's plenty of ways to seduce, pickup, and get girls. You just have to find what works for you. Same goes for the mones.

What was your main technique to number close effectively with AV.  And how did you get these numbers not to flake?

The technique is to keep the conversation brief 3-5 minute, create a nice vibe and close and go away. Most followed up, there was a small amount that didn't answer afterwards as with everything. Later if they don't wanna go immediately on a date get to know them, call them and talk a bit, that is all.

Reading this makes me want to order a new bottle of AV now. I only have 1 tester size left.

I was in the same situation yesterday with a 5 minute conversation on a cold approach whilst out and about during my busy day. I gave the gorgeous girl my business card as she headed into the gym and asked if she had any contact details to give me in return, but sadly she didn't. I was on my way to picking up my car from the car mechanic. I was pheromones free yesterday, and probably could have used some in that situation.

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Mar 21, 2024, 06:55 PMYes, I've gone through a whole bottle of AV. Whilst it gave me some of the most blatant IOIs I've ever got from women, I'm more the conversation guy, so it doesn't suit my style. Wish I had the ability to close out a girls contact in under a minute.

It's more about logistics, if you get a crazy IOI from a girl, you just take her home/hotel.

Maybe you'd have to isolate her somewhere and make out for a bit.

but you should be taking her out fast.

Last time I seriously used AV once of those hot dancer chicks gave me IoI's and caressed my face ...While she was dancing, like out of the blue.   I've NEVER seen one of these dancer touch ANYONE lol  unfortunately her security brought her to the back of the cub...that's just poor logistics(working girl at work) 

Quote from: CJ_W on Mar 28, 2024, 04:11 PM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Mar 21, 2024, 06:55 PMYes, I've gone through a whole bottle of AV. Whilst it gave me some of the most blatant IOIs I've ever got from women, I'm more the conversation guy, so it doesn't suit my style. Wish I had the ability to close out a girls contact in under a minute.

It's more about logistics, if you get a crazy IOI from a girl, you just take her home/hotel.

Maybe you'd have to isolate her somewhere and make out for a bit.

but you should be taking her out fast.

Last time I seriously used AV once of those hot dancer chicks gave me IoI's and caressed my face ...While she was dancing, like out of the blue.   I've NEVER seen one of these dancer touch ANYONE lol  unfortunately her security brought her to the back of the cub...that's just poor logistics(working girl at work) 

Those are my favourite girls to target. Girls like dancers and strippers. That's because of the added difficulties of them having to behave themselves in their working environments. They are a challenge I really enjoy taking on.

Is Cas oil/roll on as effective as Cas spray?

Quote from: Dsouza on Jan 22, 2024, 04:33 PMI'm thinking there is a battle between slayer and CAs.  Slayer pulls 25-30 yo women who seem to see you more as a challenge than a gent.   

Who makes Slayer?  I cannot find it.

Thank you

Quote from: beginner on Mar 30, 2024, 02:25 AM

Quote from: Dsouza on Jan 22, 2024, 04:33 PMI'm thinking there is a battle between slayer and CAs.  Slayer pulls 25-30 yo women who seem to see you more as a challenge than a gent.   

Who makes Slayer?  I cannot find it.

Thank you

Apex pheromones
https://www.apexpheromone.com

Also, the Casanova oil I bought recently on Amazon says on the package:

"Pheromones Proprietary Blend 2017"

Is this the v1 forumulation?

I just checked the sleeve mine came in and it says the same thing. I'm curious as it seemed discussion of the sprays make it appear that there was a formula change, especially since my newer spray doesn't see to do much. Now that warmer weather is coming I'll try to oil, but I'm honestly not holding much hope. It would have been nice if Garry would put out a similar blend as I would trust his formulations - had excellent luck with several of his.

Quote from: beginner on Mar 31, 2024, 03:04 PMAlso, the Casanova oil I bought recently on Amazon says on the package:

"Pheromones Proprietary Blend 2017"

Is this the v1 forumulation?

The oil was introduced later down the line. I'd treat the oil and the spray as different products.

Quote from: TracerX on Apr 01, 2024, 04:51 AMThe oil was introduced later down the line. I'd treat the oil and the spray as different products.

I'm still curious if this is part of the "tampered" reformulation or not, as my newer, unscented Cas spray does nothing. Bought the oil at the same time.

its expensive stuff. compare the prices of 10mls from apex and xs.

Quote from: mahalo silver on Jun 10, 2024, 06:52 AMits expensive stuff. compare the prices of 10mls from apex and xs.

True, but I think it's six 10mL bottles in one.  It's just a big investment for one product

I asked for CAS version 1 [which they currently only apparently do unscented], and they Still sent me version 2.

Quote from: mahalo silver on Jul 09, 2024, 10:20 AMI asked for CAS version 1 [which they currently only apparently do unscented], and they Still sent me version 2.

How can you be so sure it's V2?

Did you try 4 sprays?

becasue they told me if i wanted V1 then i should get it unscented. It arrived Scented. im just going off there confusing information. who truly knows? what version do you have? The packaging and boxes r a nice touch, but he doesnt throw in any samples even if requested. He does however give a lovely picture of Himself! Lol

Quote from: mahalo silver on Jul 10, 2024, 09:12 AMbecasue they told me if i wanted V1 then i should get it unscented. It arrived Scented. im just going off there confusing information. who truly knows? what version do you have? The packaging and boxes r a nice touch, but he doesnt throw in any samples even if requested. He does however give a lovely picture of Himself! Lol

Post the picture, lol.

Quote from: mahalo silver on Jul 10, 2024, 09:12 AMbecasue they told me if i wanted V1 then i should get it unscented. It arrived Scented. im just going off there confusing information. who truly knows? what version do you have? The packaging and boxes r a nice touch, but he doesnt throw in any samples even if requested. He does however give a lovely picture of Himself! Lol

That's real sketchy.

Johnny love needs to Clarify which is Version 1, and is it only in Unscented form as stated in the email, and which is V2? and to have it cleary Visible with your order which version you are getting. I do Not need a pic of himslef with 2 hot models lol. All bottles, whether new or old, have this phromone bend 2017 date. [to add to he confusion]. I emailed him about receiving the wrong version and no reply for 2 weeks. Dodgy.

Quote from: mahalo silver on Jul 16, 2024, 07:45 AMJohnny love needs to Clarify which is Version 1, and is it only in Unscented form as stated in the email, and which is V2? and to have it cleary Visible with your order which version you are getting. I do Not need a pic of himslef with 2 hot models lol. All bottles, whether new or old, have this phromone bend 2017 date. [to add to he confusion]. I emailed him about receiving the wrong version and no reply for 2 weeks. Dodgy.

Try different channels. Chat via the website, Instagram or write another email. Often the information doesn't even reach Dante, who is responsible for sales.

Quote from: mahalo silver on Jul 16, 2024, 07:45 AMJohnny love needs to Clarify which is Version 1, and is it only in Unscented form as stated in the email, and which is V2? and to have it cleary Visible with your order which version you are getting. I do Not need a pic of himslef with 2 hot models lol. All bottles, whether new or old, have this phromone bend 2017 date. [to add to he confusion]. I emailed him about receiving the wrong version and no reply for 2 weeks. Dodgy.

The 2 hot models got me 🤣🤣🤣

Hello Tracer My friend,

Its been a while.I am just wondering would you be able to suggest mone/Combos that generates strong Sexual response from strangers girl (targeting Western Born Asian) and Sexual DIHL head turn

Thanks

BW got good responses from Asian girls. But I can only say this about cases I hung out with my friend/wingman, he's really into asians. Other than that I haven't really tried to target those with mones, but maybe I'll give it a go in the future.

Bumping this thread! From reading reports here and house of pheromone,i got so confused on this product purpose other than lifting spirit, easy talk ,receptive.I would say CAS is definitely a cool dude vibe where you can escalate if you want to ( i am sure they would be receptive).It kinda remind me of THU's purpose ''create sexual tension and reduce bitch guard'' which is wonderful for asian woman especially you use blend like AV which can makes you seem out of reach as asian woman tend to be intoverted or not as open easily without some kind of inner judgment (just my thought)

Tracer before mentioned ''CAS+PEA"' i can see why it makes it worth something...

CAS more seems like cool guy vibe,can tease woman emotionally and get on their mind for future date before you switch to more sexual direct hit mones...

Its an icebreaker for starters before moving on to the next level...

AV+Bnol+a1+Meo (has been on my wishlist to test next) and also CAS +PEA

Anyone who have more experience or more insight on this product please share them Mr Tracer and Dsouza thanks

From Reading,CAS more seems like Social smoothness and good feeling/aura of an person.Can make your flirting receptive and forgiving to woman.An edge you can steer however you like

Well on House of Pheromones every products seems to be alluring, amazing, ladykiller etc. I wouldn't use it as a reference. That site is aimed towards the general public, it doesn't have any reports even. It's a blog that's job is to be SEO optimised and catchy.

It's hard to put into words the feeling of CA+PEA. Best I can say it gives a very upbeat happy vibe.

I have one report I noted in my private notes of CAS+PEA with a 25yo HB8 blonde Russian girl. Goes as follows:

Mones: CAS + PEA ( CAS 4 sprays, PEA 2 drops on each wrist, I don't have the dosage written, no more than 86mcg for sure)

We met on a first date in a quiet Chinese tea cafe -one where you have quiet spaces and it's a bit dim light and you have privacy. Very calming atmosphere. She came and as she got close I noticed suddenly her smile was getting bigger (dunno if it's the mones).

She sat down and we started to talk, the vibe was really positive, felt a bit like a conversation after two beers. She laughed at my jokes and remarks. 4 times touching me "accidenty' brushing her palm against me. Some hair touches and all that. I touched her lower back and she seemed to like it.

At one point she said she wanted to show me something on her phone and got up and switched sides she got really close and showed me some tiktok video and laid her head on me shoulder. She started smelling my neck.
to the point her nose was touching my neck and umm.. grinding it? I put my arm around her and she laid there. quietly as we watched the video. She commented I smell nice and asked about my perfume. Like she grave me 3 cheek kisses (which is an unusual way to kiss around here but maybe it's a russian thing).

I kissed her back once on the cheek she smiled, taking it as a cheek kissing game. Though next time she tried I just kissed her on the lips. And she loudly yet playfully sad "Hey!!! You!!" saying it with a big smile and big surprise her face seemed kinda cartoonish. Then we kissed again and that reaction disappeared.

Quote from: TracerX on Nov 23, 2024, 06:07 AMWell on House of Pheromones every products seems to be alluring, amazing, ladykiller etc. I wouldn't use it as a reference. That site is aimed towards the general public, it doesn't have any reports even. It's a blog that's job is to be SEO optimised and catchy.

It's hard to put into words the feeling of CA+PEA. Best I can say it gives a very upbeat happy vibe.

I have one report I noted in my private notes of CAS+PEA with a 25yo HB8 blonde Russian girl. Goes as follows:

Mones: CAS + PEA ( CAS 4 sprays, PEA 2 drops on each wrist, I don't have the dosage written, no more than 86mcg for sure)

We met on a first date in a quiet Chinese tea cafe -one where you have quiet spaces and it's a bit dim light and you have privacy. Very calming atmosphere. She came and as she got close I noticed suddenly her smile was getting bigger (dunno if it's the mones).

She sat down and we started to talk, the vibe was really positive, felt a bit like a conversation after two beers. She laughed at my jokes and remarks. 4 times touching me "accidenty' brushing her palm against me. Some hair touches and all that. I touched her lower back and she seemed to like it.

At one point she said she wanted to show me something on her phone and got up and switched sides she got really close and showed me some tiktok video and laid her head on me shoulder. She started smelling my neck.
to the point her nose was touching my neck and umm.. grinding it? I put my arm around her and she laid there. quietly as we watched the video. She commented I smell nice and asked about my perfume. Like she grave me 3 cheek kisses (which is an unusual way to kiss around here but maybe it's a russian thing).

I kissed her back once on the cheek she smiled, taking it as a cheek kissing game. Though next time she tried I just kissed her on the lips. And she loudly yet playfully sad "Hey!!! You!!" saying it with a big smile and big surprise her face seemed kinda cartoonish. Then we kissed again and that reaction disappeared.

Thanks.Wanted to ask if CAS solo crushy are fast enough to notice other than HOP claim 'woman keep guessing their feeling towards the wearer,teases in the back emotionally and never straight up'' .You mentioned before girl will get close to you and want you to approach (tall model type)

Quote from: TracerX on Nov 23, 2024, 06:07 AMWell on House of Pheromones every products seems to be alluring, amazing, ladykiller etc. I wouldn't use it as a reference. That site is aimed towards the general public, it doesn't have any reports even. It's a blog that's job is to be SEO optimised and catchy.

It's hard to put into words the feeling of CA+PEA. Best I can say it gives a very upbeat happy vibe.

I have one report I noted in my private notes of CAS+PEA with a 25yo HB8 blonde Russian girl. Goes as follows:

Mones: CAS + PEA ( CAS 4 sprays, PEA 2 drops on each wrist, I don't have the dosage written, no more than 86mcg for sure)

We met on a first date in a quiet Chinese tea cafe -one where you have quiet spaces and it's a bit dim light and you have privacy. Very calming atmosphere. She came and as she got close I noticed suddenly her smile was getting bigger (dunno if it's the mones).

She sat down and we started to talk, the vibe was really positive, felt a bit like a conversation after two beers. She laughed at my jokes and remarks. 4 times touching me "accidenty' brushing her palm against me. Some hair touches and all that. I touched her lower back and she seemed to like it.

At one point she said she wanted to show me something on her phone and got up and switched sides she got really close and showed me some tiktok video and laid her head on me shoulder. She started smelling my neck.
to the point her nose was touching my neck and umm.. grinding it? I put my arm around her and she laid there. quietly as we watched the video. She commented I smell nice and asked about my perfume. Like she grave me 3 cheek kisses (which is an unusual way to kiss around here but maybe it's a russian thing).

I kissed her back once on the cheek she smiled, taking it as a cheek kissing game. Though next time she tried I just kissed her on the lips. And she loudly yet playfully sad "Hey!!! You!!" saying it with a big smile and big surprise her face seemed kinda cartoonish. Then we kissed again and that reaction disappeared.

Thanks Tracer. I will test this mone further to make CAS faster impact upon interaction. Do you have any recommendation that can combo with CAS solo ( if 4 spray is your sweet spot) such as With A1, Alpha Q or whatever you have tested before even True love

Thanks

CAS solo is good one its own. You don't need any combos with it. Even the veterans of the old PT said this blend is good on its own

To me, it's basically the spray version of nude Alpha