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So it seems A314 will be launching a marketplace (https://www.reddit.com/r/pheromones/comments/1cof0sc/a314_pheromone_marketplace/) where members can create mixes to test and even sell. What do you think of this? Would any of you create and sell mixes there?

Quote from: ebbnflow on May 10, 2024, 04:07 PMSo it seems A314 will be launching a marketplace (https://www.reddit.com/r/pheromones/comments/1cof0sc/a314_pheromone_marketplace/) where members can create mixes to test and even sell. What do you think of this? Would any of you create and sell mixes there?

While it might have merit I don't know how likely I would be in jumping on unknown mixes. It's bad enough I've paid for mixes by popular vendors which for all intents and purposes gave me the same results as water. Perhaps after the crafter makes it, tweaks it and has a successful testing phase then I might be interested then.

I agree with you there. I'm thinking about making a "sex god" mix with TAC and some other molecules. I wonder how expensive it would be, though.

I really want to get my hands on L2k and this might be a way to do it, given my bad luck ordering from AD.   

Just hope the formula on the spreadsheet is correct.

Quote from: greedware on May 13, 2024, 07:31 PMI really want to get my hands on L2k and this might be a way to do it, given my bad luck ordering from AD. 

Just hope the formula on the spreadsheet is correct.

There's not really a formula on the spreadsheet. It's just the supposed contents. You'll have to do a lot of testing around.

The components from what is assumed to be from highest to lowest concentrations are:

Androstadienone, alpha androstenol, DHEAS, adrostANONE, androstENONE, beta androstANOL, beta androstENOL, and androstERONE sulfate at 128 mcg of pheromones per spray.

This is the same information as found on the product page, minus the mcg/spray directly. But you can also figure out the mcg/spray from their page by dividing 29 mg (29,000 mcg) by 226 sprays, which would be 128.318584 mcg/spray.

You'll have to mess around with ratios and figure out how many sprays would be in the bottles/atomizers from A314. So it would take a lot of experimenting, and you can make your own formula based off LIIK, but you'll probably never copy the exact formula.

Quote from: ebbnflow on May 14, 2024, 06:28 AM

Quote from: greedware on May 13, 2024, 07:31 PMI really want to get my hands on L2k and this might be a way to do it, given my bad luck ordering from AD. 

Just hope the formula on the spreadsheet is correct.

There's not really a formula on the spreadsheet. It's just the supposed contents. You'll have to do a lot of testing around.

The components from what is assumed to be from highest to lowest concentrations are:

Androstadienone, alpha androstenol, DHEAS, adrostANONE, androstENONE, beta androstANOL, beta androstENOL, and androstERONE sulfate at 128 mcg of pheromones per spray.

This is the same information as found on the product page, minus the mcg/spray directly. But you can also figure out the mcg/spray from their page by dividing 29 mg (29,000 mcg) by 226 sprays, which would be 128.318584 mcg/spray.

You'll have to mess around with ratios and figure out how many sprays would be in the bottles/atomizers from A314. So it would take a lot of experimenting, and you can make your own formula based off LIIK, but you'll probably never copy the exact formula.

Oh, ok, so those numbers aren't ratios?   like 8 parts erone sulf to 1 part dienone

If a lot of tinkering would be involved I'm probably better off just buying the components myself

I did ask PXS if they could do a custom blend for me and they said they would get back to me... and never did.  LOL

Quote from: greedware on May 14, 2024, 03:11 PMOh, ok, so those numbers aren't ratios?  like 8 parts erone sulf to 1 part dienone

If a lot of tinkering would be involved I'm probably better off just buying the components myself

I did ask PXS if they could do a custom blend for me and they said they would get back to me... and never did.  LOL

Yeah, unfortunately they're not the ratios, so the numbers you see aren't how many parts of each molecule there would be; just the suspected order. A "1" would likely the be the first ingredient at the highest concentration compared to others, and an "8" would be towards the last of ingredients in a smaller concentration.

I think the cheapest options for basic molecules would be Aroma Fero and Pheromone Treasures, though some molecules like DHEAS, anone, erone-s and banol you would need to order from XS.

Quote from: greedware on May 14, 2024, 03:11 PM

Quote from: ebbnflow on May 14, 2024, 06:28 AM

Quote from: greedware on May 13, 2024, 07:31 PMI really want to get my hands on L2k and this might be a way to do it, given my bad luck ordering from AD. 

Just hope the formula on the spreadsheet is correct.

There's not really a formula on the spreadsheet. It's just the supposed contents. You'll have to do a lot of testing around.

The components from what is assumed to be from highest to lowest concentrations are:

Androstadienone, alpha androstenol, DHEAS, adrostANONE, androstENONE, beta androstANOL, beta androstENOL, and androstERONE sulfate at 128 mcg of pheromones per spray.

This is the same information as found on the product page, minus the mcg/spray directly. But you can also figure out the mcg/spray from their page by dividing 29 mg (29,000 mcg) by 226 sprays, which would be 128.318584 mcg/spray.

You'll have to mess around with ratios and figure out how many sprays would be in the bottles/atomizers from A314. So it would take a lot of experimenting, and you can make your own formula based off LIIK, but you'll probably never copy the exact formula.

Oh, ok, so those numbers aren't ratios?  like 8 parts erone sulf to 1 part dienone

If a lot of tinkering would be involved I'm probably better off just buying the components myself

I did ask PXS if they could do a custom blend for me and they said they would get back to me... and never did.  LOL

Here's a quote from Chris about L2K V2:

"LIIK v. 2 is finalized. For all DIYers ill give some insight on the formula..
Per bottle:
4.5 mg A1
2.75 mg none
3.25 mg androstAnone
9 mg DHEAS
12 mg alpha androstenol
xx micrograms androsterone sulphate potassium : D
1 unlisted ingredient
1 secret ingredient
Ethanol, PG, DPG, 10% deionized water"

And here's a quote from the old forum I saved in my notes about L2K V1, unfortunately I don't remember the original author:

"Calculating from the info thats given my best guess to the L2Kv1 brake down is aprox...
4.05 mg Androstadienone
2.4 mg none
2.84 mg androstAnone
8.1 mg DHEAS
8.4 mg alpha androstenol
"A lot of additional Molecule 'A'"
Possible 1 unlisted ingredient
Possible 1 secret ingredient
With the "25% increase -none" I subtracted 12.5% equally from both none types, it could be more changes in androstAnone or vice versa. Alpha dreams website says the original Alpha Maschio had 29 mg per bottle (Did Chris ever give an updated number?) From whats calculated here L2kv1 has potentially 25.79mg of ingredients disclosed. There is 3.21 or more if using 29mg as a reference point distributed to Molecule A/alpha-THDOC and any secret ingredients. V2 has 31.5mg thats disclosed and what looks like some secret ingredients used for steering so my best guess is that both v1 and v2 are not too far off from having between 32-35mg of ingredients."

Nice, He-Mone!

Then one can cross reference with what's listed on AD's site.

V2 35 mg, 36 ml:
Androstadienone
Alpha-androstenol
DHEAS
Androstanone
Androstenone
ß-androstenol
Androsterone
Androsterone potassium sulfate
Androsterone sodium sulfate

V1 29 mg, 36 ml:
Androstadienone
Alpha-androstenol
DHEAS
Androstanone
Androstenone
ß-androstAnol (Molecule "A")
ß-androstenol
Androsterone potassium sulfate

I don't know where to get erone potassium sulfate, though.

Yeah I don't know where you would get the erone potassium sulfate unless you have the credentials to order from a Sigma-Aldrich type company. There's also alpha-THDOC in L2K, which nobody carries. Aroma Fero used to have it as an option in their custom formula creator, which was discontinued due to it being a pain in the ass for them. I imagine if you ordered enough bottles to make it worth their while they would be open to doing a one-off custom formula.

PXS has lot of single molecule which are hard to find. One example is Androstanone. No vendor sale Androstanone except PXS. So might worth to contact PXS for custom order.

Quote from: He-Mone on May 16, 2024, 10:38 PM

Quote from: greedware on May 14, 2024, 03:11 PM

Quote from: ebbnflow on May 14, 2024, 06:28 AM

Quote from: greedware on May 13, 2024, 07:31 PMI really want to get my hands on L2k and this might be a way to do it, given my bad luck ordering from AD. 

Just hope the formula on the spreadsheet is correct.

There's not really a formula on the spreadsheet. It's just the supposed contents. You'll have to do a lot of testing around.

The components from what is assumed to be from highest to lowest concentrations are:

Androstadienone, alpha androstenol, DHEAS, adrostANONE, androstENONE, beta androstANOL, beta androstENOL, and androstERONE sulfate at 128 mcg of pheromones per spray.

This is the same information as found on the product page, minus the mcg/spray directly. But you can also figure out the mcg/spray from their page by dividing 29 mg (29,000 mcg) by 226 sprays, which would be 128.318584 mcg/spray.

You'll have to mess around with ratios and figure out how many sprays would be in the bottles/atomizers from A314. So it would take a lot of experimenting, and you can make your own formula based off LIIK, but you'll probably never copy the exact formula.

Oh, ok, so those numbers aren't ratios?  like 8 parts erone sulf to 1 part dienone

If a lot of tinkering would be involved I'm probably better off just buying the components myself

I did ask PXS if they could do a custom blend for me and they said they would get back to me... and never did.  LOL

Here's a quote from Chris about L2K V2:

"LIIK v. 2 is finalized. For all DIYers ill give some insight on the formula..
Per bottle:
4.5 mg A1
2.75 mg none
3.25 mg androstAnone
9 mg DHEAS
12 mg alpha androstenol
xx micrograms androsterone sulphate potassium : D
1 unlisted ingredient
1 secret ingredient
Ethanol, PG, DPG, 10% deionized water"

And here's a quote from the old forum I saved in my notes about L2K V1, unfortunately I don't remember the original author:

"Calculating from the info thats given my best guess to the L2Kv1 brake down is aprox...
4.05 mg Androstadienone
2.4 mg none
2.84 mg androstAnone
8.1 mg DHEAS
8.4 mg alpha androstenol
"A lot of additional Molecule 'A'"
Possible 1 unlisted ingredient
Possible 1 secret ingredient
With the "25% increase -none" I subtracted 12.5% equally from both none types, it could be more changes in androstAnone or vice versa. Alpha dreams website says the original Alpha Maschio had 29 mg per bottle (Did Chris ever give an updated number?) From whats calculated here L2kv1 has potentially 25.79mg of ingredients disclosed. There is 3.21 or more if using 29mg as a reference point distributed to Molecule A/alpha-THDOC and any secret ingredients. V2 has 31.5mg thats disclosed and what looks like some secret ingredients used for steering so my best guess is that both v1 and v2 are not too far off from having between 32-35mg of ingredients."

I remembered this. I screenshot it from Ostrich Twisted journal

Quote from: greedware on May 13, 2024, 07:31 PMI really want to get my hands on L2k and this might be a way to do it, given my bad luck ordering from AD.   

Just hope the formula on the spreadsheet is correct.

Did you see Dsouza is selling a bottle of L2K in the trading post section?

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 13, 2024, 01:49 PMWith this list I kind of made my own version. I did add some Androsterone, because I am not natural bossy. I did add a bit of Beta Androstenol, because I thought that could be the secret ingredien. And I did replace Molecule A by some other ingredient, which works like a physical inhibitor. (Quite often women do try to point my attention to their crotch, when I wear it.)

What's the name of this molecule? Care to share it

Wow interesting

So is the Saw Palmetto in suppliment form or from the fruit itself

Maybe I'll whip up a batch and test it

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 14, 2024, 06:08 AMIt's Saw Palmetto, 25 mcg or less.

There was some debating on discord before, because not everyone did notice the same effects. So, see for yourself, I would say.

For me (and I did test it quite severe) it works in the way I described: somehow women try to focus my attention to their crotch. Sometimes with getting it close/rub it against me (I had some weird situations in stores), more often with some remark which points to their crotch. (I had some weird conversations on the school yard of my kids.)

I did see this happen often enough to believe it was this putative.

But again: not everyone did see the same results, so: at your own risk.

Interesting, what brand of saw palmetto are you using? Saw palmetto was one of the  molecules in the pheromone treasures blind testing, and mild disinhibition was a reported effect, nothing about crotches though. Are you seeing this effect only in combination with certain other molecules, or does it seem to exist no matter what you pair the saw palmetto with?

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 15, 2024, 04:22 AMI see it also without any other product or molecule added.

I use powder from a smartshop. Not sure about the brand.

But, as I said, apparently not everyone saw that, so I don't make any claim. (People on the old forum and discord tried it, probably for a little while, and didn't see quick results, so they kinda blamed me.)

I am in this phero game for a long long time. I tested lots of products and single molecules. Also many molecules that aren't official mones or putatives. (Yes, I'm a bit like that mad scientist.)

I trained myself all these years to sharpen my focus on subtle signs, small changes in behavior, consistency in these signs and changes. I wouldn't call myself an professional, but I know I see things (signs/patterns/behavioural changes, not dead people or something like that) that other people don't.

That being said, I would say: give it a try. When I combine it with a social and light sexual, it works best. But of course the best test is solo.

Sorry bro I'm going to bug you with one more question. Is the stuff you're using an extract or is it the whole herb powder? Obviously that will effect the proper dosage. I made a tincture of some "prostate complex" pills yesterday. They contain a few different herbs including saw palmetto berry extract "standardized to 45% fatty acids." Didn't give it any time to macerate, and applied 25mcg worth. Saw some interesting results from my GF about 5 minutes later but that could just be her being her usual horny self. I'll see if I can replicate the effect today.

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 15, 2024, 04:22 AMI see it also without any other product or molecule added.

I use powder from a smartshop. Not sure about the brand.

But, as I said, apparently not everyone saw that, so I don't make any claim. (People on the old forum and discord tried it, probably for a little while, and didn't see quick results, so they kinda blamed me.)

I am in this phero game for a long long time. I tested lots of products and single molecules. Also many molecules that aren't official mones or putatives. (Yes, I'm a bit like that mad scientist.)

I trained myself all these years to sharpen my focus on subtle signs, small changes in behavior, consistency in these signs and changes. I wouldn't call myself an professional, but I know I see things (signs/patterns/behavioural changes, not dead people or something like that) that other people don't.

That being said, I would say: give it a try. When I combine it with a social and light sexual, it works best. But of course the best test is solo.

Id be willing to try that formula out, Do you still have some bychance?

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 17, 2024, 10:28 AM

Quote from: KingTaco on Sep 17, 2024, 05:33 AMId be willing to try that formula out, Do you still have some bychance?

I was camping the last few days. I'll check what exactly the powder is, as soon as I have everything cleaned and put away.

The L2K clone i mean. Heard so much legendary tales of that thing but nowhere to be found.

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 18, 2024, 06:11 AMAh

Quote from: KingTaco on Sep 17, 2024, 06:00 PMThe L2K clone i mean. Heard so much legendary tales of that thing but nowhere to be found.

I see. I didn't really make a clone, but some own version, which leaned on the formula in this thread. (On page 1.)

Anyhow, this is my mix, based on that:

• Androstadienone - 750 mcg/10 ml - 9,375 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androsterone (not in formula, but a bit of a 'big boss' vibe might be good in combination with my non threatening personality) - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androstenone - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• AndrestAnone - 80 mcg/10 ml - 1 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androstenol - 1250 mcg/10 ml - 15,625 mcg/spray
• Beta (Est) Androstenol (Not listed, but might be the secret ingredient and it levels out the alpha vibe from the Rone) - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• Androsterone sodium sulfate - 200 mcg/10 ml - 2,5 mcg/spray
• Androstenone sulfate (not in formula, but a bit of a 'friendly boss' vibe might be good in combination with my non threatening personality) - 80 mcg/10 ml - 1 mcg/spray
• Saw Palmetto (replacement Molecule A/Alpha-THDoc; not the same of course, but does add something special to most homebrew mixes) - 1125 mcg/10 ml - 14,0625 mcg/spray

thanks!

Il see if i can get my hands on it.

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 18, 2024, 06:11 AMAh

Quote from: KingTaco on Sep 17, 2024, 06:00 PMThe L2K clone i mean. Heard so much legendary tales of that thing but nowhere to be found.

I see. I didn't really make a clone, but some own version, which leaned on the formula in this thread. (On page 1.)

Anyhow, this is my mix, based on that:

• Androstadienone - 750 mcg/10 ml - 9,375 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androsterone (not in formula, but a bit of a 'big boss' vibe might be good in combination with my non threatening personality) - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androstenone - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• AndrestAnone - 80 mcg/10 ml - 1 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androstenol - 1250 mcg/10 ml - 15,625 mcg/spray
• Beta (Est) Androstenol (Not listed, but might be the secret ingredient and it levels out the alpha vibe from the Rone) - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• Androsterone sodium sulfate - 200 mcg/10 ml - 2,5 mcg/spray
• Androstenone sulfate (not in formula, but a bit of a 'friendly boss' vibe might be good in combination with my non threatening personality) - 80 mcg/10 ml - 1 mcg/spray
• Saw Palmetto (replacement Molecule A/Alpha-THDoc; not the same of course, but does add something special to most homebrew mixes) - 1125 mcg/10 ml - 14,0625 mcg/spray

I've never heard of anyone using eNone sulfate before. That's not a typo for eRone sulfate is it? Where did you get it? You say it has a friendly boss vibe, can you tell us more or share some experiences with it?

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 18, 2024, 06:11 AMAh

Quote from: KingTaco on Sep 17, 2024, 06:00 PMThe L2K clone i mean. Heard so much legendary tales of that thing but nowhere to be found.

I see. I didn't really make a clone, but some own version, which leaned on the formula in this thread. (On page 1.)

Anyhow, this is my mix, based on that:

• Androstadienone - 750 mcg/10 ml - 9,375 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androsterone (not in formula, but a bit of a 'big boss' vibe might be good in combination with my non threatening personality) - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androstenone - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• AndrestAnone - 80 mcg/10 ml - 1 mcg/spray
• Alpha Androstenol - 1250 mcg/10 ml - 15,625 mcg/spray
• Beta (Est) Androstenol (Not listed, but might be the secret ingredient and it levels out the alpha vibe from the Rone) - 400 mcg/10 ml - 5 mcg/spray
• Androsterone sodium sulfate - 200 mcg/10 ml - 2,5 mcg/spray
• Androstenone sulfate (not in formula, but a bit of a 'friendly boss' vibe might be good in combination with my non threatening personality) - 80 mcg/10 ml - 1 mcg/spray
• Saw Palmetto (replacement Molecule A/Alpha-THDoc; not the same of course, but does add something special to most homebrew mixes) - 1125 mcg/10 ml - 14,0625 mcg/spray

Molecule A was Beta Androstanol, you could get it from PXS they sell it as a single molecule

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 19, 2024, 02:16 AM

Quote from: Phero_SA on Sep 19, 2024, 01:22 AMMolecule A was Beta Androstanol, you could get it from PXS they sell it as a single molecule

Yes I know what it is, though I don't have it. And I didn't care to order it just for this. (It's always a long and expensive proces to order from PXS, as shipping takes forever, I always have to pay extra quite some import taxes and a 15 euro fee to the postal company, who  plays customs.)

Shipping from their bulgaria hub to the netherlands took about 8 days for me. Delivery scheduled for today, yay. No import fees anymore because it is within the shengen zone.

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Sep 19, 2024, 03:54 AM

Quote from: KingTaco on Sep 19, 2024, 03:13 AMShipping from their bulgaria hub to the netherlands took about 8 days for me. Delivery scheduled for today, yay. No import fees anymore because it is within the shengen zone.

Yes, I know. But from the eight times I ordered from PXS, there was only one time that the Euro hub had everything I wanted in stock. No extraordinary item, just normal products and sometimes singles. Then my order was then automatically transferred to the US, where they shipped it from Munford.

O, I also remember once that a discount didn't work on the Euro website.

I didn't check it recently, though. Is the Euro hub (https://euphoricxs.com/) now better stocked?

i didnt order fromt he euophoricxs website. i ordered from pheromonexs.com and my order got sent to the eu hub. i didnt get the samples i requested tho.. i got brute instead of barely legal. ah well