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Hi I would like to know if anyone here is using or has had success in using subliminal's from this company? I would also like to know if anyone is currently running one out of these subliminals listed below and what you're results are with them? I have read about people using audios from Subliminal Club and Indigo Mind Labs here but nothing from Mind Pro.

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/irresistible-sexiness-5-0pm/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/attract-beautiful-women-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/alpha-male-pheromone-release-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/super-sex-magnet-6/

Quote from: revolution88 on Sep 11, 2024, 10:54 AMHi I would like to know if anyone here is using or has had success in using subliminal's from this company? I would also like to know if anyone is currently running one out of these subliminals listed below and what you're results are with them? I have read about people using audios from Subliminal Club and Indigo Mind Labs here but nothing from Mind Pro.

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/irresistible-sexiness-5-0pm/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/attract-beautiful-women-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/alpha-male-pheromone-release-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/super-sex-magnet-6/

Quote from: revolution88 on Sep 11, 2024, 10:54 AMHi I would like to know if anyone here is using or has had success in using subliminal's from this company? I would also like to know if anyone is currently running one out of these subliminals listed below and what you're results are with them? I have read about people using audios from Subliminal Club and Indigo Mind Labs here but nothing from Mind Pro.

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/irresistible-sexiness-5-0pm/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/attract-beautiful-women-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/alpha-male-pheromone-release-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/super-sex-magnet-6/

I've listened to the first one in the list just the YouTube version. I listened just before bed and that same night I had a terrible dream with frightening images of battered young women on TV. I don't know if that sub had anything to do with it but after I had that frightening dream I dared not listen to it again.

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Sep 13, 2024, 04:11 AM

Quote from: revolution88 on Sep 11, 2024, 10:54 AMHi I would like to know if anyone here is using or has had success in using subliminal's from this company? I would also like to know if anyone is currently running one out of these subliminals listed below and what you're results are with them? I have read about people using audios from Subliminal Club and Indigo Mind Labs here but nothing from Mind Pro.

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/irresistible-sexiness-5-0pm/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/attract-beautiful-women-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/alpha-male-pheromone-release-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/super-sex-magnet-6/

Quote from: revolution88 on Sep 11, 2024, 10:54 AMHi I would like to know if anyone here is using or has had success in using subliminal's from this company? I would also like to know if anyone is currently running one out of these subliminals listed below and what you're results are with them? I have read about people using audios from Subliminal Club and Indigo Mind Labs here but nothing from Mind Pro.

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/irresistible-sexiness-5-0pm/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/attract-beautiful-women-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/alpha-male-pheromone-release-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/super-sex-magnet-6/

I've listened to the first one in the list just the YouTube version. I listened just before bed and that same night I had a terrible dream with frightening images of battered young women on TV. I don't know if that sub had anything to do with it but after I had that frightening dream I dared not listen to it again.

What are some good ones to use that are similar to that title then?

I've used a few of them and I'd definitely recommend them. I've even had a custom one that i was using but stopped because plans changed(how to overcome retroactive jealousy- at the time i couldnt stop thinking about my partners past and her being intimated with other men etc...tough time lol)

Super Sex Magnet worked for me as it made me more confident and more comfortable in myself. it became super easy to interact with women during the day and that translated to the night. I used each stage for a month. I dont think the effects last after you stop using it. Either that or i didnt use it long enough. But for the time when i was using it and about a month or 2 after they worked. During stage 2 of SSM i started using Bad Wolf as a daily wear. The two complimented me perfectly.

I pulled the trigger over the weekend and purchased ABW 5.0X.

Been using it as per the instructions for week 1 so far.

Today is day 3. Suddenly I had women eyeing me out and I picked up 9/10 blonde today. First two days nothing, Suddenly it starts working today. Not only that, the unattractive women don't look or engage with me, just attractive ones.

Then again, it could also have to do with the pheromones I was wearing today, because today was the first time I had pheromones on since I started listening to it.

No nightmares so far, unlike I got with  Irresistible-sexiness-5-0pm.

Ok, I'm going to give my input about the topic. At first I was not going to contribute to this thread, only because in the past there was a lot of negativity from certain members regarding this topic, when it was first introduced on PT 1.0. Some people are so closed-minded that they fail to recognize the  possible existence of other methods of self-improvement outside their "boxed" mentality. And to make matters worse, such people believe they have a right to publicly comment negatively and call other member's input a fraud.

So with that being said, I believe Mind Pro Labs, in my opinion does make some really good subliminals, but that doesn't mean that every sub I've tried from them worked for me as described in the product's page. The one thing you guys have to remember, is that subliminals, just like pheromones, are there to help you, but they are NOT going to make miracles happen/appear out of thin air. And just like 'pheros, they may or may not work for some. We can read all the positive reviews of people reporting great results with one particular sub, but that doesn't mean it will work for you just the same, or perhaps not even work at all.

There are many reasons, but usually, it's because of unresolved trauma(s) that need to be worked on/cleared out. Most traumas affect us, without us even knowing that they exist, because they are rooted at a subconscious level, and therefore we are not able to treat them properly in order to clear them out. It happened to me, and when I finally became consciously aware of their existence at the subconscious level, I worked on getting the proper tools for clearing them out. MPL does have a program called Subconscious Blockage Remover. The title is self-explanatory, and I believe everyone should get it, even if you think you don't have any traumas, as you'll be surprised at what that sub can find and do for you.

The reason why some users report having nightmares while listening to subs, is a perfect example of what deeply rooted subconscious traumas can do. The subconscious, unlike the conscious mind, communicates to us by manifesting the images we get during our dream state, including the frightening/unpleasant nightmares we might experience from time to time. When the subliminal's script is directing/instructing for certain changes to take place at a subconscious level, it triggers the trauma/traumatic event within the subconscious mind, which then it manifests in us having "terrible dreams with frightening images", aka nightmares, which is a form of blockage/resistance to prevent and/or reject the subliminal script from being executed by the subconscious.

This shouldn't scare users into stopping the sub. What they should do is recognize what they are experiencing as a traumatic blockage/resistance on a subconscious level, and instead of stopping the sub, they should push right thru with it until the trauma is cleared out for good, so the scripted instructions from the subliminal can finally be accepted and implemented at the subconscious level. Or get to work in finding the right tools necessary to help you clear those traumas out of your system, like a subliminal that deals specifically with life traumas/traumatic events. Personally, I'd recommend to just get the SBR (Subconscious Blockage Remover) subliminal first, which deals directly with clearing traumas/traumatic event(s), and once that's taken are of, then proceed to use the subliminal of particular interest.

And just so that everyone knows, traumas and/or traumatic events are not only the kind you hear when someone has gone thru a horrible experience like sexual abuse, being in an accident and having a near-death experience, or witnessing the murder of a close friend or relative, etc. Don't make the mistake of believing that a trauma/traumatic event has to be that extreme. Believe it or not, something as simple as a girl rejecting your approach can create a trauma. It all depends on how you as an individual handle the situation. If you get "butt-hurt" and let it get you down, upset, or all of a sudden you feel nervous/shy about approaching another girl as a result of your previous experience, you better believe that it is a trauma that is causing it. Something as simple as a rejection can become quite a powerful trauma on a subconscious level, as every time you remember about the incident (the girl rejecting you), and you mentally and/or physically experience the same emotions/feelings you felt when it happened, you are actually reinforcing it and giving it strength. And it is this reinforcement that causes you to develop the mental blockage/resistance, and not be able to execute the script.

I recommend everyone to get the SBR subliminal to deal with any traumas/blockages you have and clear them out of your subconscious mind. I personally make it a habit of using the SBR sub about every other month or two, and do a couple of sessions each time, only because I never know what is, or has accumulated in my mind from day-to-day interactions if life in general. Things like getting upset at the erratic idiot that just cut me off on the road, to a bad interaction at work or when using public transportation...these are all unpleasant experiences and tensions that gather inside of us, which eventually become mental traumas, that cause blockages/resistance, and must be dealt with, the sooner the better, and preferably with natural methods/tools. Ever wonder why some people need to "have a drink" at the end of their day to "unwind" when they get home? That is a coping mechanism that temporarily aids in the suppression of pent-up tension(s). Most times than not, these individuals eventually find themselves having to increase their alcohol consumption in order to keep up with the growing inner tensions, but they just keep building up inside, which then manifest as traumas, that slowly but surely affect their lifestyle; sleep, appetite, (in)digestion, personal and work relationships, etc...

So let me tell you all a story which I will write to their reviews section about ABW 5.0X

I believe this is the Law of Attraction working in freaky ways. Freaky to the point of hair raising.

I have been following the instructions for week 1 of ABW 5.0X. This is my 4th day of using this. I listened to the subliminal for 1 loop this morning at 6am.

At 10:30am this morning I listened to the brainwave session and visualised what I was instructed to during this session.

I started work at midday today. My first client her name was Elena and attractive lady who immigrated here from Russia (same name of the lady who helps put these subliminals together I believe). We got on like a house on fire. She offered me her phone number and this afternoon I messaged her and she got straight back.

Now what were the chances that 30 minutes after I visualised during the Brainwave session that my first client would have the name Elena (exact same name as the lady who works for mind pro labs) that she would give me her contact number and later in the day we are messaging each other?

This is a freaky law of attraction happening.

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 09, 2024, 03:46 AMSo let me tell you all a story which I will write to their reviews section about ABW 5.0X...I believe this is the Law of Attraction working in freaky ways. Freaky to the point of hair raising.

I cannot go into full details here, but I can tell you this much...there is MORE than just the Law Of Attraction working/manifesting with subs. :)  ;)  :D

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 10, 2024, 05:07 AM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 09, 2024, 03:46 AMI started work at midday today. My first client her name was Elena and attractive lady who immigrated here from Russia (same name of the lady who helps put these subliminals together I believe). We got on like a house on fire. She offered me her phone number and this afternoon I messaged her and she got straight back.

So, is this the same lady you talk about in your journal, who you got along with after applying 2 sprays Wolf and 3 sprays Aura of Amity? (The stories sounded similar.) Isn't it hard to tell what did the trick?

I know that visualisation/manifestation can work wonders. No doubt there. I did have absurd successes just by imagining it. Up to detailed descriptions of unknown, desired women, who then appeared out of nowhere and sat next to me. (There were situations that friends thought I was shitting them, when this happened. Imagine that I just described an unknown person to a friend and within ten minutes that person almost materializes in front of us.) Of course this doesn't happen every week, but once you've seen it, it undeniable. This was mostly without wearing pheromone products.

I'm a bit sceptical about subliminals, that's no secret. Especially how they would be fitting for everybody. For every mind, to be accurate. I am aware there is a subconscious, but in my experience it's quite personal how to address it. Maybe it's just my mind, which works like that. Maybe most minds (and most subconsciouses) work alike each other. That would be an explanation.

Anyhow, for the purity of a test/experiment with this attraction created by subliminals, it would be better to seperate it from the tests/experiments of pheromones. Or, when you combine the tests/experiments of subliminals and pheromones, it would be worth to mention that there were more factors/parameters involved.

Yes, this is the same lady.

You are right. It is probably better to separate the tests/experiments, or mention that there are other factors involved when writing the pheromone reports.

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 10, 2024, 07:26 AM

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 10, 2024, 05:07 AM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 09, 2024, 03:46 AMI started work at midday today. My first client her name was Elena and attractive lady who immigrated here from Russia (same name of the lady who helps put these subliminals together I believe). We got on like a house on fire. She offered me her phone number and this afternoon I messaged her and she got straight back.

So, is this the same lady you talk about in your journal, who you got along with after applying 2 sprays Wolf and 3 sprays Aura of Amity? (The stories sounded similar.) Isn't it hard to tell what did the trick?

I know that visualisation/manifestation can work wonders. No doubt there. I did have absurd successes just by imagining it. Up to detailed descriptions of unknown, desired women, who then appeared out of nowhere and sat next to me. (There were situations that friends thought I was shitting them, when this happened. Imagine that I just described an unknown person to a friend and within ten minutes that person almost materializes in front of us.) Of course this doesn't happen every week, but once you've seen it, it undeniable. This was mostly without wearing pheromone products.

I'm a bit sceptical about subliminals, that's no secret. Especially how they would be fitting for everybody. For every mind, to be accurate. I am aware there is a subconscious, but in my experience it's quite personal how to address it. Maybe it's just my mind, which works like that. Maybe most minds (and most subconsciouses) work alike each other. That would be an explanation.

Anyhow, for the purity of a test/experiment with this attraction created by subliminals, it would be better to seperate it from the tests/experiments of pheromones. Or, when you combine the tests/experiments of subliminals and pheromones, it would be worth to mention that there were more factors/parameters involved.

Yes, this is the same lady.

You are right. It is probably better to separate the tests/experiments, or mention that there are other factors involved when writing the pheromone reports.

Have you thought of going a month without pheromones to see if it is indeed the subliminal responsible for the bulk of your experience? 

That's the only way to find out.  Ow your guessing it's the subs when it could be the mones.  You yourself said your results came specifically on the day you whipped out the mones.

Quote from: Dsouza on Oct 10, 2024, 11:17 AM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 10, 2024, 07:26 AM

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 10, 2024, 05:07 AM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 09, 2024, 03:46 AMI started work at midday today. My first client her name was Elena and attractive lady who immigrated here from Russia (same name of the lady who helps put these subliminals together I believe). We got on like a house on fire. She offered me her phone number and this afternoon I messaged her and she got straight back.

So, is this the same lady you talk about in your journal, who you got along with after applying 2 sprays Wolf and 3 sprays Aura of Amity? (The stories sounded similar.) Isn't it hard to tell what did the trick?

I know that visualisation/manifestation can work wonders. No doubt there. I did have absurd successes just by imagining it. Up to detailed descriptions of unknown, desired women, who then appeared out of nowhere and sat next to me. (There were situations that friends thought I was shitting them, when this happened. Imagine that I just described an unknown person to a friend and within ten minutes that person almost materializes in front of us.) Of course this doesn't happen every week, but once you've seen it, it undeniable. This was mostly without wearing pheromone products.

I'm a bit sceptical about subliminals, that's no secret. Especially how they would be fitting for everybody. For every mind, to be accurate. I am aware there is a subconscious, but in my experience it's quite personal how to address it. Maybe it's just my mind, which works like that. Maybe most minds (and most subconsciouses) work alike each other. That would be an explanation.

Anyhow, for the purity of a test/experiment with this attraction created by subliminals, it would be better to seperate it from the tests/experiments of pheromones. Or, when you combine the tests/experiments of subliminals and pheromones, it would be worth to mention that there were more factors/parameters involved.

Yes, this is the same lady.

You are right. It is probably better to separate the tests/experiments, or mention that there are other factors involved when writing the pheromone reports.

Have you thought of going a month without pheromones to see if it is indeed the subliminal responsible for the bulk of your experience? 

That's the only way to find out.  Ow your guessing it's the subs when it could be the mones.  You yourself said your results came specifically on the day you whipped out the mones.

Yes, maybe scrub the pheromone application points to wipe them off and try 1 or 2 weeks without pheromones.

As it is I will be pheromone free this weekend and I may extend that into the whole of next week to see how that works out with just the subliminals on their own, no added pheromones on top.

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 10, 2024, 09:59 AM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 10, 2024, 07:26 AMIt is probably better to separate the tests/experiments, or mention that there are other factors involved when writing the pheromone reports.

Thanks for your answer.

I wasn't trying to correct you or make you look bad in any way, hopefully it did not feel like that. I just like complete reports. No worry if there are more factors in play, everybody is also combining pheromomes and phermone products as they please. It's just worth to mention, I think.

No, it's fine. Thanks for your input.

I've decided to scrub all application points and no pheromones this weekend, which I may extend for the whole of next week too. Just to test if the subliminals are really working in ways that I think they may be.

Purchased MPL  ABW 5.0x tonight.

Well Well Well......

Let's see where this goes....

Well I am into my second week. 7 days in.

It is doing what it says. Attract beautiful women. Most women won't look because they are not attractive.

I had positive body language from a HB7 French girl today when I spoke with her. An Australian HB8 who told me she has a "partner" kept re-engaging and re-initiating conversation with me. Both women I'd never met before.

I was eating lunch on a shopfront facing the sidewalk and a blonde HB 8 looked me in the eye and held gaze for about 2-3 seconds.

Nothing less than HB7s showing interest or looking my way. HB8 Australian took my details but I doubt she will reach out as she has a partner. All beautiful women. So I guess the sub is doing what it said it would.

Also, I was pheromones free today.

Let me just say, the Australian HB8 was reluctant to talk to me at first and saying "no no no." to my attempt at conversation. She eventually came around and started initiating conversation back with me.

Yesterday late afternoon A HB7 made eye contact with me, so I decided to approach her. Sitting on a bench by herself by the beach front.

I opened by saying hi what is your name, she told me Jasmine, with a smile and wide eyes. Anyway we got talking for 15 minutes, even though I sat on the other end of the bench from her, so there was a gap between us but we were in clear conversation with each other. I ended up exchanging contact details with her. We got on well. She is a young Australian girl, originally from a city 1.5 hours drive north of Sydney. Deep rapport, and I could tell there was a lot of attraction. She shared so much about herself to me in those 15 minutes. She laughed at many time constraints I gave her making fun of my friend for constantly being late, and her saying she was like that too. Told me about her former receptionist work and I made a few receptionist jokes that she ate up and chuckled to. She used to work at McDonald's when in school, we shared some McDonald's horror stories. Time flew past in an instant. Got agreeance from her to exchange our contact info only about 2 minutes into our chat everything flowed smoothly from there. She asked me so many questions and she re-initiated when there were silent moments.

She's still studying at uni, she is only 22, HB7 and working part time as a front desk receptionist around the corner from her university. She told me what she is studying and which industry she is doing reception work in.

Left to see my friends for dinner so excused myself after 15 minutes, after we exchanged contact information with each other.

It was another pheromone free day.

Next week I will go back to using some pheromones again. But I do believe that ABW 5.0x is currently working like magic for me.

Met an HB8 in a foodcourt today and cold approached her with a chat.

It was my first day back on ABW 5.0x.

Details on the experience in today's journal post.

EDIT: Oct/19/2024:

Actually I did this after using an AA sub for two days first.

Later on when I tried 5.0x once the AA came back I didn't have similar success.

So I'm seriously considering going the route of the best AA subs along with positive affirmations.

More experiences to follow.  Details as always in my journal.

Let me tell you what happened yesterday to me. Once again, I am pheromone free for this whole week.

Yesterday makes it day 10 of me listening to ABW 5.0x as instructed along with the visualisation exercise.

I went to get a coffee after lunch at a large and busy bakery chain of stores.

As soon as I walk in a HB 7.5 young Latina who works behind the counter there locks eyes with me for a couple of seconds. It is a look of lustful attraction in her eyes. I can easily pick up the cues from her pupils and type of eye contact. There are 2 people in front of me in the queue, and 2 servers. She is one of the servers. To me it seemed like she was hurrying through the order with her customer so she could beat the other server so that she could specifically serve me. She did. I was her next customer. She looked me in the eyes and asked me what I wanted. I gave her my takeaway order for coffee. She puts the order through, looks at me, then looks down shyly, then says "I thought you told me something else."  Now in the past I would have gone into my shell in a situation like that, but there was something else going on today, I could tell she couldn't make eye contact and talk to me because the lust and attraction she felt for me was probably something she was shy about, didn't want to make obvious and may have had no control over. I felt emboldened to talk to her, so I asked "Oh, what did you think I said." She looked down shyly once again, like she was a little embarrassed to tell me because at this point it was so obvious to me that she was attracted to me. She looked down and said mumbling and murmuring "I didn't think you said you wanted a flat white, but no I think you did." So, I responded playfully "Of course I did, silly billy." She laughed a girly laugh, looked at me and smiled, then shyly put her head down again, the lust and attraction I don't think she could handle it was probably too much for her being at work in front of her work colleagues and many other people and happy to serve a customer she felt very attracted to.

She turned around to do something in the meantime, I was the last person she served, and there was nobody waiting in line behind me. I could tell from her accent she was from Brazil. She had taken my name for the order, and I kept hearing my name being said by her to her work colleagues. What I could decipher is that she wanted to personally serve me the coffee into my hand in order to get a chance to look at me and talk to me again. She was really urging them to make my coffee as she didn't want to delay. When the coffee was made, I observed that she made sure that she quickly grabbed the cup, so that no one else could get it to serve me, but only her. She handed it to me, gave me lustful puppy-dog doe eyes and smiled at me. We held eye contact for 3 seconds and I wished her a good afternoon in a gentlemanly masculine voice. She whispered back to me "You know you've made my day. You're the first person who has wished me that today, thank you!" So, I said "anytime gorgeous!" She smiled again and shyly looked down. Then I left. I will try going there for coffee another day sometime very soon.

All I could tell was that she is a very shy young girl who showed a lustful fancy to one of her male customers who is older than her. I think she may have been trying to hide her attraction to me, maybe not from me because to me her attraction to me was so very obvious, but from her work colleagues.

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 17, 2024, 06:48 PMLet me tell you what happened yesterday to me. Once again, I am pheromone free for this whole week.

Yesterday makes it day 10 of me listening to ABW 5.0x as instructed along with the visualisation exercise.

I went to get a coffee after lunch at a large and busy bakery chain of stores.

As soon as I walk in a HB 7.5 young Latina who works behind the counter there locks eyes with me for a couple of seconds. It is a look of lustful attraction in her eyes. I can easily pick up the cues from her pupils and type of eye contact. There are 2 people in front of me in the queue, and 2 servers. She is one of the servers. To me it seemed like she was hurrying through the order with her customer so she could beat the other server so that she could specifically serve me. She did. I was her next customer. She looked me in the eyes and asked me what I wanted. I gave her my takeaway order for coffee. She puts the order through, looks at me, then looks down shyly, then says "I thought you told me something else."  Now in the past I would have gone into my shell in a situation like that, but there was something else going on today, I could tell she couldn't make eye contact and talk to me because the lust and attraction she felt for me was probably something she was shy about, didn't want to make obvious and may have had no control over. I felt emboldened to talk to her, so I asked "Oh, what did you think I said." She looked down shyly once again, like she was a little embarrassed to tell me because at this point it was so obvious to me that she was attracted to me. She looked down and said mumbling and murmuring "I didn't think you said you wanted a flat white, but no I think you did." So, I responded playfully "Of course I did, silly billy." She laughed a girly laugh, looked at me and smiled, then shyly put her head down again, the lust and attraction I don't think she could handle it was probably too much for her being at work in front of her work colleagues and many other people and happy to serve a customer she felt very attracted to.

She turned around to do something in the meantime, I was the last person she served, and there was nobody waiting in line behind me. I could tell from her accent she was from Brazil. She had taken my name for the order, and I kept hearing my name being said by her to her work colleagues. What I could decipher is that she wanted to personally serve me the coffee into my hand in order to get a chance to look at me and talk to me again. She was really urging them to make my coffee as she didn't want to delay. When the coffee was made, I observed that she made sure that she quickly grabbed the cup, so that no one else could get it to serve me, but only her. She handed it to me, gave me lustful puppy-dog doe eyes and smiled at me. We held eye contact for 3 seconds and I wished her a good afternoon in a gentlemanly masculine voice. She whispered back to me "You know you've made my day. You're the first person who has wished me that today, thank you!" So, I said "anytime gorgeous!" She smiled again and shyly looked down. Then I left. I will try going there for coffee another day sometime very soon.

All I could tell was that she is a very shy young girl who showed a lustful fancy to one of her male customers who is older than her. I think she may have been trying to hide her attraction to me, maybe not from me because to me her attraction to me was so very obvious, but from her work colleagues.

Good work!  One thing I've learned is hired guns are not worth picking up , and as you can see it's hard to isolate them to get a number or more.   But they're fine to test your flirting skills on , joke and humour, and see if they are getting turned on more by you than other customers.

What you did is good.   Watch her behavior, without actually being needy and trying to rush a number close out of nowhere , which could of landed both of you in hot water.

Quote from: Dsouza on Oct 17, 2024, 09:52 PM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 17, 2024, 06:48 PMLet me tell you what happened yesterday to me. Once again, I am pheromone free for this whole week.

Yesterday makes it day 10 of me listening to ABW 5.0x as instructed along with the visualisation exercise.

I went to get a coffee after lunch at a large and busy bakery chain of stores.

As soon as I walk in a HB 7.5 young Latina who works behind the counter there locks eyes with me for a couple of seconds. It is a look of lustful attraction in her eyes. I can easily pick up the cues from her pupils and type of eye contact. There are 2 people in front of me in the queue, and 2 servers. She is one of the servers. To me it seemed like she was hurrying through the order with her customer so she could beat the other server so that she could specifically serve me. She did. I was her next customer. She looked me in the eyes and asked me what I wanted. I gave her my takeaway order for coffee. She puts the order through, looks at me, then looks down shyly, then says "I thought you told me something else."  Now in the past I would have gone into my shell in a situation like that, but there was something else going on today, I could tell she couldn't make eye contact and talk to me because the lust and attraction she felt for me was probably something she was shy about, didn't want to make obvious and may have had no control over. I felt emboldened to talk to her, so I asked "Oh, what did you think I said." She looked down shyly once again, like she was a little embarrassed to tell me because at this point it was so obvious to me that she was attracted to me. She looked down and said mumbling and murmuring "I didn't think you said you wanted a flat white, but no I think you did." So, I responded playfully "Of course I did, silly billy." She laughed a girly laugh, looked at me and smiled, then shyly put her head down again, the lust and attraction I don't think she could handle it was probably too much for her being at work in front of her work colleagues and many other people and happy to serve a customer she felt very attracted to.

She turned around to do something in the meantime, I was the last person she served, and there was nobody waiting in line behind me. I could tell from her accent she was from Brazil. She had taken my name for the order, and I kept hearing my name being said by her to her work colleagues. What I could decipher is that she wanted to personally serve me the coffee into my hand in order to get a chance to look at me and talk to me again. She was really urging them to make my coffee as she didn't want to delay. When the coffee was made, I observed that she made sure that she quickly grabbed the cup, so that no one else could get it to serve me, but only her. She handed it to me, gave me lustful puppy-dog doe eyes and smiled at me. We held eye contact for 3 seconds and I wished her a good afternoon in a gentlemanly masculine voice. She whispered back to me "You know you've made my day. You're the first person who has wished me that today, thank you!" So, I said "anytime gorgeous!" She smiled again and shyly looked down. Then I left. I will try going there for coffee another day sometime very soon.

All I could tell was that she is a very shy young girl who showed a lustful fancy to one of her male customers who is older than her. I think she may have been trying to hide her attraction to me, maybe not from me because to me her attraction to me was so very obvious, but from her work colleagues.

Good work!  One thing I've learned is hired guns are not worth picking up , and as you can see it's hard to isolate them to get a number or more.   But they're fine to test your flirting skills on , joke and humour, and see if they are getting turned on more by you than other customers.

What you did is good.   Watch her behavior, without actually being needy and trying to rush a number close out of nowhere , which could of landed both of you in hot water.

100% correct.

Unless you can isolate a hired gun and it's not against their rules to hand out their contact info to customers, I wouldn't do it.

Any cases how pheromone use can actually hurt your progress with subs?

What I really meant is will pheromones mess up your brain when trying to change your brain with subs, not will they change your results with women?

In other words will the a1 depression, anger, lethargy etc from the pheromones linger when you go back to doing the subs making progress backfire?

Will mones like AV cause terrible anxiety?  Will CAS cause terrible lethargy?   Will using such mones and the subs make you need to start over with the subs?

Honestly, I love mones but if subs get me all  the results from meet to close I will NOT return to mones and risk my subs progress being halted or effected negatively.

Quote from: Dsouza on Oct 21, 2024, 10:00 AMWhat I really meant is, will pheromones mess up your brain when trying to change your brain with subs?
In other words, will the A-1 depression, anger, lethargy, etc...from the pheromones linger when you go back to doing the subs, making progress backfire?
Will 'mones like AV cause terrible anxiety? Will CAS cause terrible lethargy? Will using such 'mones and the subs make you need to start over with the subs?
Honestly, I love 'mones, but if subs get me all the results from meet to close, I will NOT return to 'mones and risk my subs progress being halted or effected negatively.

You are NOT supposed to use neither one with the other. And the fact that you are not ready to face your fears/traumas, (by what you said earlier feeling "creeped out" from using SSM) is a testament of what I said in my earlier post (#8). So, if you're more into 'mones because you already get results with some of them, then I suggest you stick with just 'mones. Choosing not to follow this advice will result in poor results, and will actually hinder any progress with either 'mones or subs. Plus, if you read the fine print on each product's page, you're NOT even supposed to mix subs, so choosing to listen to two different subs (SSM & ABW), that have a different set of instructions each, will also hinder your progress.

Subs will NOT change or improve the way you react to certain products like AV, CAS or A-1, as that has to do with neurochemical reactions. Subs do not alter/change your neurochemicals, they are just instructions that go directly to the subconscious mind, in order to change a deeply-rooted behavior (approach anxiety). That behavior is what causes your fear of approaching women and having conversations with them, due to your fear of them rejecting you, and your fear of what others think of you.

When the behavior has been corrected at the subconscious level, the fear will no longer be there, to the point where you'll be able to approach the hottest woman in a public setting, regardless of whether she's surrounded with friends or strangers in a crowded mall/supermarket, etc...because you won't care of what she and/or others think or say about you...because that will no longer be a factor keeping you from accomplishing the goal. And as a result, you'll have a more care-free, approachable, friendly/sociable attitude and body language that women will easily pick up on, and feel totally comfortable in your presence. You'll still have to do your part of presenting yourself, dressing well, having a pleasant personality, etc., but now with an IDGAF way of thinking, free from the previously held beliefs at the subconscious level that manifested in the fear you experienced at the conscious level.

This is what makes all the difference in the world, whether it is with 'mones or subs. That's why AV is such a hard product for a lot of people to use. Is it not that AV isn't good at all, or isn't good for newbies, it's the fact that the AV signature is all about a man that has got his sh!t together, does not care or gives a rat's @ss about what others or the rest of the world thinks, for he is a man of action; a man with a mission, and with a passion to accomplish that mission no matter what life throws at him, carving his own path in the face of opposition, for he is not settling for the subpar b.s. that society has stuffed down the throat of the rest of the world. AV presents this vibe unafraid and unapologetically, hence the blatant reactions from both men and women.

And that is one of the reasons why most people\newbies experience such failures with AV, because they just don't live up to (not congruent with) the signature. Another reason is due to overdosing, which creates the arrogant "pr!ck" vibe, hence the reason why it's always recommended to start low and up the dosage to find one's "sweet spot". AV is also a product that sticks around for quite a long time, so it is not recommended as a product for daily wear, because doing so will bring about the OD responses. This I consider a positive, because I remember experiencing the so-called next-day "hits" from people in general. And as a result, that will make a bottle of AV last a whole lot longer than other 'mones.

The favorite subs in my collection, are the ones that dig deeply, looking for anything that might create a negative/unwanted behavior at a subconscious level. If I experience a "terrible" nightmare, I don't run from it and stop usage. No, instead I welcome it, because I know that the sub found something that is not going to serve me well in the future, and is attacking whatever that may be at the root, before it creates some sort of issue(s) that will later manifest at the conscious level. And those are the ones I consider my favorites, because they've had the deepest impact on my personal growth.

3 days into week 3

Still no pheromones. I will add them back in again soon.

I thought this wasn't working too well any longer over the last few days. Until this afternoon I had a barista at a coffee shop in town where I frequent who knows me extremely well not only be happy to see me again after about 2 months, but also finally exchange names with each other after speaking to her for at least the last year every time I visit. She did it in a private spot of the counter with me away from the other customers and staff. We had about a private 5 minute conversation. She is Chinese origin and not a "beautiful woman" as the sub is supposed to help me attract. But still it is something.

Later in the evening 2 HB7s opened me on 2 separate occasions. Both on the footpath in the street. Very brief conversations. Nonetheless, I rarely get one girl open me in my life but tonight I had 2, and both good looking enough.

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 22, 2024, 05:32 AM3 days into week 3

Still no pheromones. I will add them back in again soon.

I thought this wasn't working too well any longer over the last few days. Until this afternoon I had a barista at a coffee shop in town where I frequent who knows me extremely well not only be happy to see me again after about 2 months, but also finally exchange names with each other after speaking to her for at least the last year every time I visit. She did it in a private spot of the counter with me away from the other customers and staff. We had about a private 5 minute conversation. She is Chinese origin and not a "beautiful woman" as the sub is supposed to help me attract. But still it is something.

Later in the evening 2 HB7s opened me on 2 separate occasions. Both on the footpath in the street. Very brief conversations. Nonetheless, I rarely get one girl open me in my life but tonight I had 2, and both good looking enough.

Can you go into more details into how they opened you?  What do you feel was different about you/them  that made it happen all of a sudden in your entire life?

To me it just might be better attitude on your part.  And as willingness to communicate with women regardless of the outcome whether your pick them up , date them, or score.

Also when women see a man talking to a girl and he looks relaxed and having fun in the process, they too feel like interjecting.  It's not the law of attraction , it the law of jealousy.. She got a slice of apple pie.... where is mine???? hahaha

Quote from: DssMaster on Oct 21, 2024, 05:00 PM

Quote from: Dsouza on Oct 21, 2024, 10:00 AMWhat I really meant is, will pheromones mess up your brain when trying to change your brain with subs?
In other words, will the A-1 depression, anger, lethargy, etc...from the pheromones linger when you go back to doing the subs, making progress backfire?
Will 'mones like AV cause terrible anxiety? Will CAS cause terrible lethargy? Will using such 'mones and the subs make you need to start over with the subs?
Honestly, I love 'mones, but if subs get me all the results from meet to close, I will NOT return to 'mones and risk my subs progress being halted or effected negatively.

You are NOT supposed to use neither one with the other. And the fact that you are not ready to face your fears/traumas, (by what you said earlier feeling "creeped out" from using SSM) is a testament of what I said in my earlier post (#8). So, if you're more into 'mones because you already get results with some of them, then I suggest you stick with just 'mones. Choosing not to follow this advice will result in poor results, and will actually hinder any progress with either 'mones or subs. Plus, if you read the fine print on each product's page, you're NOT even supposed to mix subs, so choosing to listen to two different subs (SSM & ABW), that have a different set of instructions each, will also hinder your progress.

Subs will NOT change or improve the way you react to certain products like AV, CAS or A-1, as that has to do with neurochemical reactions. Subs do not alter/change your neurochemicals, they are just instructions that go directly to the subconscious mind, in order to change a deeply-rooted behavior (approach anxiety). That behavior is what causes your fear of approaching women and having conversations with them, due to your fear of them rejecting you, and your fear of what others think of you.

When the behavior has been corrected at the subconscious level, the fear will no longer be there, to the point where you'll be able to approach the hottest woman in a public setting, regardless of whether she's surrounded with friends or strangers in a crowded mall/supermarket, etc...because you won't care of what she and/or others think or say about you...because that will no longer be a factor keeping you from accomplishing the goal. And as a result, you'll have a more care-free, approachable, friendly/sociable attitude and body language that women will easily pick up on, and feel totally comfortable in your presence. You'll still have to do your part of presenting yourself, dressing well, having a pleasant personality, etc., but now with an IDGAF way of thinking, free from the previously held beliefs at the subconscious level that manifested in the fear you experienced at the conscious level.

This is what makes all the difference in the world, whether it is with 'mones or subs. That's why AV is such a hard product for a lot of people to use. Is it not that AV isn't good at all, or isn't good for newbies, it's the fact that the AV signature is all about a man that has got his sh!t together, does not care or gives a rat's @ss about what others or the rest of the world thinks, for he is a man of action; a man with a mission, and with a passion to accomplish that mission no matter what life throws at him, carving his own path in the face of opposition, for he is not settling for the subpar b.s. that society has stuffed down the throat of the rest of the world. AV presents this vibe unafraid and unapologetically, hence the blatant reactions from both men and women.

And that is one of the reasons why most people\newbies experience such failures with AV, because they just don't live up to (not congruent with) the signature. Another reason is due to overdosing, which creates the arrogant "pr!ck" vibe, hence the reason why it's always recommended to start low and up the dosage to find one's "sweet spot". AV is also a product that sticks around for quite a long time, so it is not recommended as a product for daily wear, because doing so will bring about the OD responses. This I consider a positive, because I remember experiencing the so-called next-day "hits" from people in general. And as a result, that will make a bottle of AV last a whole lot longer than other 'mones.

The favorite subs in my collection, are the ones that dig deeply, looking for anything that might create a negative/unwanted behavior at a subconscious level. If I experience a "terrible" nightmare, I don't run from it and stop usage. No, instead I welcome it, because I know that the sub found something that is not going to serve me well in the future, and is attacking whatever that may be at the root, before it creates some sort of issue(s) that will later manifest at the conscious level. And those are the ones I consider my favorites, because they've had the deepest impact on my personal growth.

So are you using subs now and skipping mones or vica versa?

Quote from: Dsouza on Oct 22, 2024, 06:29 AM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Oct 22, 2024, 05:32 AM3 days into week 3

Still no pheromones. I will add them back in again soon.

I thought this wasn't working too well any longer over the last few days. Until this afternoon I had a barista at a coffee shop in town where I frequent who knows me extremely well not only be happy to see me again after about 2 months, but also finally exchange names with each other after speaking to her for at least the last year every time I visit. She did it in a private spot of the counter with me away from the other customers and staff. We had about a private 5 minute conversation. She is Chinese origin and not a "beautiful woman" as the sub is supposed to help me attract. But still it is something.

Later in the evening 2 HB7s opened me on 2 separate occasions. Both on the footpath in the street. Very brief conversations. Nonetheless, I rarely get one girl open me in my life but tonight I had 2, and both good looking enough.

Can you go into more details into how they opened you?  What do you feel was different about you/them  that made it happen all of a sudden in your entire life?

To me it just might be better attitude on your part.  And as willingness to communicate with women regardless of the outcome whether your pick them up , date them, or score.

Also when women see a man talking to a girl and he looks relaxed and having fun in the process, they too feel like interjecting.  It's not the law of attraction , it the law of jealousy.. She got a slice of apple pie.... where is mine???? hahaha

The first girl was when I got out of my car. My father was in the passenger seat. She came up and asked me about the parking restrictions as she was parked in front of me. She had a foreign accent. I just answered her question, then we both left.

The second girl was once again as I got out of my parked car but in a different place and without my father. I locked the door and as I got onto the footpath we were about to collide almost walking into each other at a 90 degree angle. We locked eyes and and she smiled at me for a split second. She was walking her big dog and was clearly in a brisk walk with her dog setting the pace. She told me something about her dog, but it was so quick as she kept on walking briskly. I couldn't tell what she said. No time to stand and chat. I remember saying "it's a lovely dog" or something to that extent before she had already gone. All I recall is that she was about 6ft tall and had an accent which sounded dutch, German, Swedish or south African (I couldn't tell for sure).

Your last paragraph is very true. Women are mostly attracted to already preselected men. It's in their survival nature to want a man who is already in demand and wanted by other women.

I know one thing: The correct pheromones cause less challenges from other men than subs.

With subs your left to obliterate challenges on your own.

Yes you can do it but getting challenged on a regular basis is a sign the people don't respect you.

If a woman sees you in demand with other models and men show respect your DHV is much higher.

Do you really think Depp gets challenged everytime he's out with women?  No women are in awe and men show deference.

The correct pheromones may even keep men away while only pulling women increasing your probability of scoring ONS or SNL.

See my point?  Pheromones give you this advantage, subs don't.

Av also makes me lose weight.  CAS makes me look younger.  Subs don't.

Subs don't pull 9's on a regular basis, CAS and AV do.

Quote from: Dsouza on Oct 25, 2024, 01:26 AMI know one thing: The correct pheromones cause less challenges from other men than subs.

With subs your left to obliterate challenges on your own.

Yes you can do it but getting challenged on a regular basis is a sign the people don't respect you.

If a woman sees you in demand with other models and men show respect your DHV is much higher.

Do you really think Depp gets challenged everytime he's out with women?  No women are in awe and men show deference.

The correct pheromones may even keep men away while only pulling women increasing your probability of scoring ONS or SNL.

See my point?  Pheromones give you this advantage, subs don't.

Av also makes me lose weight.  CAS makes me look younger.  Subs don't.

Subs don't pull 9's on a regular basis, CAS and AV do.

I still think that both subs and pheromones can be combined into one giant attraction magnet. Hear me out on this one.

Subs are there for a subconscious reprogramming of your mind. Pheromones are there to trigger the olfactory attraction response from a woman. Yes, whilst there is a bit of crossover, technically they are two different things altogether which can be combined into one synergistic system to help you attract the women of your dreams into your life.

That is the reason I now believe combining them may be the best way to go in future. Especially since I know that ABW 5.0x does not have any pheromonal boost to it.

The one thing I do know is that while the subconscious mind takes a lot of dedication and time to fully reprogram, pheromones can get you results very very quickly without all the time involved with listening to subs.

WRT challenges from other men. I had an interesting encounter on ABW 5.0x earlier this week. Both days I was pheromones free. Late last week I was sitting on a bench in a quiet shopping centre by myself sipping a takeaway coffee when a tall semi-attractive blonde woman walked past me and just stared at me. No smile, no hello, nothing. I looked at her and winked at her, she turned her head and just kept walking.

Fast forward to this week, the same thing happened. I was once again having my takeaway coffee on the same bench in the same place and the same woman walks past from the same direction. She looks at me again for a split second, however this time she is hand in hand with a male. I assume that he is her husband or partner or whatever. Obviously this time I do nothing flirtatious with her, as I do not want to risk a confrontation with the man she is with.

Can someone scientific explain specifically how the law of attraction in ABW sub works in order to attract beautiful women who are hb7+ into you just waiting to be seduced?

Quote from: Dsouza on Oct 26, 2024, 05:10 PMCan someone scientific explain specifically how the law of attraction in ABW sub works in order to attract beautiful women who are hb7+ into you just waiting to be seduced?

Best to ask that question to the MPL team who put it together.

So here is a weird happening with my ABW5.0x.

I was listening to one of the subliminal loops just about 10 minutes ago and at the end of the masked version I heard part of a subliminal suggestion I clearly heard "act on their interest and attraction in aggressive, obvious and direct ways."

It seemed that the gentle stream masking noise was out of sync by about 3 seconds, so I clearly heard part of the final suggestion loud and clear.

EDIT: I also kept hearing this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41P8UxneDJE play in a constant loop in my dream last night. I can only chalk this down to ABW5.0X

Last 3 days I have been pheromone free, and I am now into week 5 of ABW 5.0X

I do believe it is having some impact now, for sure.

An HB9 blonde real estate agent walking with her work colleague back into the business completely and blatantly checked me out and smiled at me as I walked past her and her work colleague as they were about to open to the door and walk back into their agency. I took that as a major sign it was working.

But the real kicker has been with the 19-year-old good looking blonde girl who lives with her parents in the house next door to my parents' house. She has never even looked my way when I see her if I visit my parents' house, never in the slightest bit ever even acknowledged me or my presence. I always thought her and her younger sister who is still in high school were rude and unfriendly. Well, that all changed yesterday. Not only did the older sister see me, smile and say hello, she actually asked me how things are and what I do for a living, where I live, all sorts of questions about myself. Suddenly she is curious about getting to know me. Totally out of character for her to be showing an interest in me from my encounters with her in the past when she wouldn't say anything, let alone even glance in my direction. Something changed yesterday, and I have been pheromone free for 3 days. Maybe ABW 5.0X starting to kick in nicely now, perhaps?

EDIT: Also forgot to make mention of body language changes I feel and notice from the last couple of weeks. I have been walking straighter and taller with my chest out, I have subtly noticed this over the last couple of weeks. Also, when I stand around it is a very relaxed alpha style of casual nonchalant IDGAF body language, which I have found more women responding positively towards.

ABW puts extreme stress on my brain.  I sleep more.  I'm always exhausted.   4 hrs a day is brutal for the brain.   My back is going to break sitting down 4 hrs a day.  I spent my days standing usually unless  I'm playing the guitar.

Also it's not consistent.  Sometimes I find women look, some days hot women don't even make eye contact.

I don't believe subliminals are a scientific way to get results with women.  Haphazard at best.

There are some shorter subs I could try.  Like RealSubliminal seduction subliminals. It's only 30 min.

The right mones work magic everytime.  A more scientific route to success with women.    You just have to find the right standalone or combo.

Quote from: Dsouza on Nov 11, 2024, 02:44 PMABW puts extreme stress on my brain.  I sleep more.  I'm always exhausted.   4 hrs a day is brutal for the brain.   My back is going to break sitting down 4 hrs a day.  I spent my days standing usually unless  I'm playing the guitar.

Also it's not consistent.  Sometimes I find women look, some days hot women don't even make eye contact.

I don't believe subliminals are a scientific way to get results with women.  Haphazard at best.

There are some shorter subs I could try.  Like RealSubliminal seduction subliminals. It's only 30 min.

The right mones work magic everytime.  A more scientific route to success with women.    You just have to find the right standalone or combo.

I'm into my 6th consecutive week on ABW.

Mindset, fashion and body language have all changed for the better.

Attracting beautiful women (as it says it does) can be random, but it definitely does work. Some days it seems like diminishing returns, but the effects are still well and truly there. Easy eye contact and conversation either started by me or the woman, closure of physical space etc.

I would agree with you on your thoughts about pheromones compared to subliminals though. They can hit way more quickly and effectively when they work for you as opposed to subliminals. Also, yes, the subliminals can be quite tiring, draining and quite time consuming, but pheromones can also tire you and drain you out as well, as you are well aware.
 

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Nov 11, 2024, 05:44 PM

Quote from: Dsouza on Nov 11, 2024, 02:44 PMABW puts extreme stress on my brain.  I sleep more.  I'm always exhausted.   4 hrs a day is brutal for the brain.   My back is going to break sitting down 4 hrs a day.  I spent my days standing usually unless  I'm playing the guitar.

Also it's not consistent.  Sometimes I find women look, some days hot women don't even make eye contact.

I don't believe subliminals are a scientific way to get results with women.  Haphazard at best.

There are some shorter subs I could try.  Like RealSubliminal seduction subliminals. It's only 30 min.

The right mones work magic everytime.  A more scientific route to success with women.    You just have to find the right standalone or combo.

I'm into my 6th consecutive week on ABW.

Mindset, fashion and body language have all changed for the better.

Attracting beautiful women (as it says it does) can be random, but it definitely does work. Some days it seems like diminishing returns, but the effects are still well and truly there. Easy eye contact and conversation either started by me or the woman, closure of physical space etc.

I would agree with you on your thoughts about pheromones compared to subliminals though. They can hit way more quickly and effectively when they work for you as opposed to subliminals. Also, yes, the subliminals can be quite tiring, draining and quite time consuming, but pheromones can also tire you and drain you out as well, as you are well aware.
 

The problem with subs like this is sometimes they work and sometimes they don't hit at all.

Pheromones that are good, consistent, and reputable hit all the time.

What happens if it's date night and your subs don't hit?  Then what?

With the RIGHT pheromones , consistency being key, they will always hit on date night, even if the next day you have a1 depression or lethargy or headaches.

See my point?

Having said that if you can afford 4 hours a day for subs and don't feel burnt out you can always add in the pheromones.

I find using both long subs and pheromones fries my brain circuits.  I feel burnt out.

That's why I'm searching for shorter subs now or the greatest pheromones and combos.

Quote from: Dsouza on Nov 11, 2024, 10:52 PM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Nov 11, 2024, 05:44 PM

Quote from: Dsouza on Nov 11, 2024, 02:44 PMABW puts extreme stress on my brain.  I sleep more.  I'm always exhausted.   4 hrs a day is brutal for the brain.   My back is going to break sitting down 4 hrs a day.  I spent my days standing usually unless  I'm playing the guitar.

Also it's not consistent.  Sometimes I find women look, some days hot women don't even make eye contact.

I don't believe subliminals are a scientific way to get results with women.  Haphazard at best.

There are some shorter subs I could try.  Like RealSubliminal seduction subliminals. It's only 30 min.

The right mones work magic everytime.  A more scientific route to success with women.    You just have to find the right standalone or combo.

I'm into my 6th consecutive week on ABW.

Mindset, fashion and body language have all changed for the better.

Attracting beautiful women (as it says it does) can be random, but it definitely does work. Some days it seems like diminishing returns, but the effects are still well and truly there. Easy eye contact and conversation either started by me or the woman, closure of physical space etc.

I would agree with you on your thoughts about pheromones compared to subliminals though. They can hit way more quickly and effectively when they work for you as opposed to subliminals. Also, yes, the subliminals can be quite tiring, draining and quite time consuming, but pheromones can also tire you and drain you out as well, as you are well aware.
 

The problem with subs like this is sometimes they work and sometimes they don't hit at all.

Pheromones that are good, consistent, and reputable hit all the time.

What happens if it's date night and your subs don't hit?  Then what?

With the RIGHT pheromones , consistency being key, they will always hit on date night, even if the next day you have a1 depression or lethargy or headaches.

See my point?

Having said that if you can afford 4 hours a day for subs and don't feel burnt out you can always add in the pheromones.

I find using both long subs and pheromones fries my brain circuits.  I feel burnt out.

That's why I'm searching for shorter subs now or the greatest pheromones and combos.

In a way, you're probably better spending part of those 4 hours towards looksmaxxing than spending on the subliminal. It may be a better return on investment. I only spend 3 hours a day on the ABW subliminal.

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Nov 12, 2024, 01:08 AM

Quote from: Dsouza on Nov 11, 2024, 10:52 PM

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Nov 11, 2024, 05:44 PM

Quote from: Dsouza on Nov 11, 2024, 02:44 PMABW puts extreme stress on my brain.  I sleep more.  I'm always exhausted.   4 hrs a day is brutal for the brain.   My back is going to break sitting down 4 hrs a day.  I spent my days standing usually unless  I'm playing the guitar.

Also it's not consistent.  Sometimes I find women look, some days hot women don't even make eye contact.

I don't believe subliminals are a scientific way to get results with women.  Haphazard at best.

There are some shorter subs I could try.  Like RealSubliminal seduction subliminals. It's only 30 min.

The right mones work magic everytime.  A more scientific route to success with women.    You just have to find the right standalone or combo.

I'm into my 6th consecutive week on ABW.

Mindset, fashion and body language have all changed for the better.

Attracting beautiful women (as it says it does) can be random, but it definitely does work. Some days it seems like diminishing returns, but the effects are still well and truly there. Easy eye contact and conversation either started by me or the woman, closure of physical space etc.

I would agree with you on your thoughts about pheromones compared to subliminals though. They can hit way more quickly and effectively when they work for you as opposed to subliminals. Also, yes, the subliminals can be quite tiring, draining and quite time consuming, but pheromones can also tire you and drain you out as well, as you are well aware.
 

The problem with subs like this is sometimes they work and sometimes they don't hit at all.

Pheromones that are good, consistent, and reputable hit all the time.

What happens if it's date night and your subs don't hit?  Then what?

With the RIGHT pheromones , consistency being key, they will always hit on date night, even if the next day you have a1 depression or lethargy or headaches.

See my point?

Having said that if you can afford 4 hours a day for subs and don't feel burnt out you can always add in the pheromones.

I find using both long subs and pheromones fries my brain circuits.  I feel burnt out.

That's why I'm searching for shorter subs now or the greatest pheromones and combos.

In a way, you're probably better spending part of those 4 hours towards looksmaxxing than spending on the subliminal. It may be a better return on investment. I only spend 3 hours a day on the ABW subliminal.

When you think of it 3 hrs a day is 15 hrs a week if you train the subliminal 5x week.

If I put that 3 hrs a day into strength and conditioning at the gym 5 days a week , I'd have a physique like a Greek God in 3 months time.   

If you look at IG models attraction is all physical these days.  To get ONS from hb9 you have to either have the body of a Greek God and show it off or blow loads of cash. 

The body is a one time solution that once achieved can be maintained with 50% the effort.  It also costs a lot less to build than a Porsche.

It's also healthy for you.

I can't wait for my pre workout shakes to arrive from the USA so I can workout to the maxx and transform myself into an instant sex object!

I've already got the sporty car I paid 40k for, and boatloads of clothes and jewelry.   As far as I'm concerned without being in modeleque shape they didn't do anything to improve my success with women. 

As far as personality goes one just needs a pheromone that gets them buzzing with charm.   I pick AV.  Any other top contenders for charm?  Sex follows naturally without resorting to negs, jerk behaviour etc once you're a physical specimen.

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Quote from: Dsouza on Nov 11, 2024, 02:44 PMABW puts extreme stress on my brain.  I sleep more.  I'm always exhausted.   4 hrs a day is brutal for the brain.   My back is going to break sitting down 4 hrs a day.  I spent my days standing usually unless  I'm playing the guitar.

Also it's not consistent.  Sometimes I find women look, some days hot women don't even make eye contact.

I don't believe subliminals are a scientific way to get results with women.  Haphazard at best.

There are some shorter subs I could try.  Like RealSubliminal seduction subliminals. It's only 30 min.

The right mones work magic everytime.  A more scientific route to success with women.    You just have to find the right standalone or combo.

I'm into my 6th consecutive week on ABW.

Mindset, fashion and body language have all changed for the better.

Attracting beautiful women (as it says it does) can be random, but it definitely does work. Some days it seems like diminishing returns, but the effects are still well and truly there. Easy eye contact and conversation either started by me or the woman, closure of physical space etc.

I would agree with you on your thoughts about pheromones compared to subliminals though. They can hit way more quickly and effectively when they work for you as opposed to subliminals. Also, yes, the subliminals can be quite tiring, draining and quite time consuming, but pheromones can also tire you and drain you out as well, as you are well aware.
 

The problem with subs like this is sometimes they work and sometimes they don't hit at all.

Pheromones that are good, consistent, and reputable hit all the time.

What happens if it's date night and your subs don't hit?  Then what?

With the RIGHT pheromones , consistency being key, they will always hit on date night, even if the next day you have a1 depression or lethargy or headaches.

See my point?

Having said that if you can afford 4 hours a day for subs and don't feel burnt out you can always add in the pheromones.

I find using both long subs and pheromones fries my brain circuits.  I feel burnt out.

That's why I'm searching for shorter subs now or the greatest pheromones and combos.

In a way, you're probably better spending part of those 4 hours towards looksmaxxing than spending on the subliminal. It may be a better return on investment. I only spend 3 hours a day on the ABW subliminal.

When you think of it 3 hrs a day is 15 hrs a week if you train the subliminal 5x week.

If I put that 3 hrs a day into strength and conditioning at the gym 5 days a week , I'd have a physique like a Greek God in 3 months time.   

If you look at IG models attraction is all physical these days.  To get ONS from hb9 you have to either have the body of a Greek God and show it off or blow loads of cash. 

The body is a one time solution that once achieved can be maintained with 50% the effort.  It also costs a lot less to build than a Porsche.

It's also healthy for you.

I can't wait for my pre workout shakes to arrive from the USA so I can workout to the maxx and transform myself into an instant sex object!

I've already got the sporty car I paid 40k for, and boatloads of clothes and jewelry.   As far as I'm concerned without being in modeleque shape they didn't do anything to improve my success with women. 

As far as personality goes one just needs a pheromone that gets them buzzing with charm.   I pick AV.  Any other top contenders for charm?  Sex follows naturally without resorting to negs, jerk behaviour etc once you're a physical specimen.

💯%. In total agreement.

Even down to the pheromone of choice.

I stopped any subliminal usage as I had a successful date with only mones.  Details in journal post.

The most difficult part of ABW5.0X is the visualising during the brainwave sessions, especially 7 weeks in. My brain can't comprehend the same visualising situation over and over each day. It kind of gets stale viewing the same images over and over and after a while it fries my brain for an hour to a point I can't picture it anymore.

I have resorted to something very different and novel in trying to visualise myself in a crowded area full of beautiful women all approaching me and helplessly wanting me to join them and be with them.

I watch this film clip (https://youtu.be/kopeV13b3Fw?si=oldoMj36-g3x_J5z) silently on repeat now as I listen to the brainwave session  just visualising me instead of the singer (some of his music I quite like anyway) walking through the crowd of Miss Universe contestants.

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Nov 20, 2024, 07:00 AMI have resorted to something very different and novel in trying to visualize myself in a crowded area full of beautiful women, all approaching me and helplessly wanting me to join them and be with them.

I watch this film clip (https://youtu.be/kopeV13b3Fw?si=oldoMj36-g3x_J5z (https://youtu.be/kopeV13b3Fw?si=oldoMj36-g3x_J5z)) silently on repeat now as I listen to the brainwave session  just visualizing me instead of the singer (some of his music I quite like anyway) walking through the crowd of Miss Universe contestants.

Anything you can come up with in order to assist/help your ability to visualize is acceptable. That is very similar to the concept I've used over the years to help with my visualization exercises.  :) 8) ;)

What I am finding about ABW5.0X into week 8 of listening to it now is that it does attract women, yes, the looks, the smiles and even the odd approach by random cute girls themselves.

However where I believe it falls down quite a bit is that whilst it attracts women to you, it doesn't guarantee SEXUAL ATTRACTION by those women for you. They may be attracted to you as a friend only, and a lot of the time I get smiles and glances from the attractive women, it usually has not proven to be of a sexual enough nature. A lot of the attractive women who seemingly are giving me the signals of attraction as I proceed listening to this I am finding are more and more seeing me as a friend and putting me in the friendzone despite the signals of interest that they give me, with maybe only a handful at max be willing to date me and see me as a sexual interest.

I believe that if a woman is not prepared to date you, she sees you as a friend, despite exchanging contacts. A woman will only go on a date with a man she has a sexual spark with, or feels that she might have that spark with you. These are my beliefs about dating and sexual attraction in a nutshell.

I think it's in a beautiful woman's default nature to befriend men.

After 10 weeks of using ABW 5.0X I have stopped using it. Not to say I won't return to it in the future but let's see what the description of the product says, versus my experiences with it:

"What can you expect from this subliminal to Attract Beautiful women?
1. Become More Attractive to Beautiful Women Sexually.
2. Uncontrollable Lust Generator (5.0x version)
3. Body Language of a Sex Magnet.
4. Alpha Male Magnetism.
5. Be more confident of yourself related to your looks and how you present yourself to beautiful women.
6. Improve your sense of fashion and style and find the suitable updated style that suits you."

1.Yes, become more appealing to women and attractive to women, but I still haven't developed the sex appeal with women. Attractive as in platonically with women; yes, but not sexually.

2. Women are attracted to me, but with little to no "lust" for me.

3. Yes, I got the sex magnet body language.

4. Yes, I got the alpha male magnetism without the sex appeal.

5. In a way Yes, I have become more confident with my looks and how I present myself to women, but  let's be honest here; if there is little to no sex appeal it seems to count for very little in terms of results in this day and age.

6.Yes, I have bought new pieces of clothing and jewellery since I started listening I I felt compelled to do so.

I also feel more relaxed after the last few days of not listening, less anxious.

I may return to it sometime in the future, but for now I have stopped to listen to it. Also I have little to no time in my life for at least 3 hours of this during my day. There are other things now that I would like to focus to try to raise my sex appeal to attractive women. Let's just say more visible things. What has made me suddenly shift my focus to these things? Maybe in part listening to ABW 5.0X has helped me to shift my focus, along with a few other things which I won't mention here.

Yes, I definitely use them here and there, especially the free ones on YouTube. Never bought anything from though, the ones on You Tube are good enough

They absolutely work, although there are much better ones pm me and ill point you in the right direction

I am back listening again to ABW5.0X I started again on new years day.

Let's hope the sex appeal and lust generator work better this time around. Had a bad dream last night but it is to be expected. Sticking with it.

Already the random looks have started to come my way on day 2.

I will say the first time I listened to this for 10 weeks I ended up wanting to wear height increasing shoes everywhere and get a hairpiece for my bald head. I will try and quell these thoughts and see how it goes this time around. Also I'm not going to try to force looks from women. I want to see if it will all happen naturally this time around with no pressure to look for things to happen.

My crippling anxiety is preventing any pheromones from working and any cold approach from taking place.

I have decided to ALWAYS stay on stage 0 SSM v6.0 to bring the heart rate way down.

I will start Monday.  I will not do any other stages of this sub.  I think stage 0 is only 2 loops a day.  I can handle that!

Aside from doing stage 0 I will spend 1-2 hrs a day listening to techniques on game with women, and 1 hr day on the guitar.

As for mones I don't know if I need any.  I wouldn't use them daily just date night to wake up my brain from the boring thoughtless anxiety stage 0 sub.

Maybe instead of using a pheromone run the ABW 5.0x sub the night before a date?  I find it works immediately. 

Then stop and repeat everything same the next week as a schedule.

What do you think?

Hello all, i was curious about this topic and i wanted to give a chance to these programs and so i decided to buy SSM6. I'm trying to figure out how it should works, since i completed the first 5 days of Stage 0 and i'm doing the 2 days stop. Now i'm wondering how long i need to go with stage 0 before going on stage 1 and ahead? they say to continue for 35 to 65 days but there is no a feedback i would look to... What do you think about it?

Thanks in advance!

Quote from: Max Grey on Feb 16, 2025, 09:10 AMHello all, I was curious about this topic and I wanted to give a chance to these programs, and so I decided to buy SSM6. I'm trying to figure out how it should works, since I completed the first 5 days of Stage 0, and I'm doing the 2 days off. Now I'm wondering how long I need to go with stage 0 before going on stage 1 and ahead. They say to continue for 35 to 65 days, but there is no feedback I would look to. What do you think about it? Thanks in advance!

The recommended 30-60 days per stage is a general recommendation. How long exactly, whether it be 30 days or 60 days, depends on you. If you still encounter discomfort (aka resistance), then you should listen to each stage for more than the minimum of 30 days. If you don't feel resistance towards the end of the 30 days, then it's ok for you to start the next stage, or perhaps extend it to the half-way point of 45 days.

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Quote from: revolution88 on Sep 11, 2024, 10:54 AMHi I would like to know if anyone here is using or has had success in using subliminal's from this company? I would also like to know if anyone is currently running one out of these subliminals listed below and what you're results are with them? I have read about people using audios from Subliminal Club and Indigo Mind Labs here but nothing from Mind Pro.

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/irresistible-sexiness-5-0pm/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/attract-beautiful-women-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/alpha-male-pheromone-release-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/super-sex-magnet-6/

Quote from: revolution88 on Sep 11, 2024, 10:54 AMHi I would like to know if anyone here is using or has had success in using subliminal's from this company? I would also like to know if anyone is currently running one out of these subliminals listed below and what you're results are with them? I have read about people using audios from Subliminal Club and Indigo Mind Labs here but nothing from Mind Pro.

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/irresistible-sexiness-5-0pm/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/attract-beautiful-women-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/alpha-male-pheromone-release-5-0x/

https://www.mindprolabs.com/product/super-sex-magnet-6/

I've listened to the first one in the list just the YouTube version. I listened just before bed and that same night I had a terrible dream with frightening images of battered young women on TV. I don't know if that sub had anything to do with it but after I had that frightening dream I dared not listen to it again.

The bad dreams usually happen around the first week. It's challenging you're subconscious creating friction. If you can make it though the bad ones (usually around the first week or so) the really good ones and I mean REALLY GOOD ones will tend to follow with that subliminal!

I'm a bit late to conversation here but I will say Mind Pro Labs make outstanding subliminals and I've used 3 out of the four that the OP listed and they all do exactly what the descriptions state. I highly recommend them!👍

Quote from: revolution88 on Sep 11, 2024, 10:54 AMThe bad dreams usually happen around the first week. It's challenging your subconscious...creating friction. If you can make it through the bad ones (usually around the first week or so), the really good ones, and I mean REALLY GOOD ones will tend to follow with that subliminal!

Every once in a while I'd run an older version of one of their subs to help clear any issues that might turn into blockages in my subconscious. And instead of running away like some people do when they encounter discomfort, I welcome it because I know it is doing exactly what it was meant to do. It serves like a reboot to the subconscious.

Quote from: smithiron on Feb 17, 2025, 10:37 AMI'm a bit late to the conversation here, but I will say Mind Pro Labs makes outstanding subliminals, and I've used 3 out of the 4 that the OP listed, and they all do exactly what the descriptions state. I highly recommend them!

I agree that MPL makes really good stuff. Not all their products worked on me though. I find that the earlier versions of some of their subs work better on me than the updated versions. So newer doesn't always means better. I've brought it up to their attention, and it seems that some of the newer script technology they're are using are not as effective to some people as the older scripts. Hence, the reason why I'm still listening to some of the older sub versions. 

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Quote from: smithiron on Feb 17, 2025, 10:37 AMI'm a bit late to the conversation here, but I will say Mind Pro Labs makes outstanding subliminals, and I've used 3 out of the 4 that the OP listed, and they all do exactly what the descriptions state. I highly recommend them!

I agree that MPL makes really good stuff. Not all their products worked on me though. I find that the earlier versions of some of their subs work better on me than the updated versions. So newer doesn't always means better. I've brought it up to their attention, and it seems that some of the newer script technology they're are using are not as effective to some people as the older scripts. Hence, the reason why I'm still listening to some of the older sub versions. 

The ABW subliminal worked very quickly for me whereas the ISX subliminal took forever to start working. At the time ABW was 3.5 version and ISX was 4.0. I really enjoyed their older background sounds.
While the Aircraft Cabin Background still tends to be my favorite, I do find in certain programs it seems to be louder while in others it's quieter.
I even still have one of their 2.0 subliminals (Unstoppable Testosterone Booster) as I enjoyed the Classic Ocean Waves and Thunderstorm backgrounds that was offered in that version. I found for myself that I could listen longer and had more variety with this. I really wish they would bring back the Classic Ocean Waves background. I have noticed the 6.0 update for the Testosterone Booster tends to start working quickly for me. I'm hoping ISX gets the 6.0 update soon with a new Brainwave option for Sleep. The dreams I had experienced with ISX were absolutely incredible!

Quote from: DssMaster on Feb 16, 2025, 03:30 PMThe recommended 30-60 days per stage is a general recommendation. How long exactly, whether it be 30 days or 60 days, depends on you. If you still encounter discomfort (aka resistance), then you should listen to each stage for more than the minimum of 30 days. If you don't feel resistance towards the end of the 30 days, then it's ok for you to start the next stage, or perhaps extend it to the half-way point of 45 days.

What do you mean with resistance? I honestly have no feelings (at least until now) listening this material. I only feel relaxed listening to the ocean waves :D
I took it on trust of you other users, but i take it as "i believe it works", i have no evidence like with some certain mones i had the chance to test and verify they works! So having no evidence and no strange effects on me, i have to understand how long to listen to this material before passing to the next one. I'm sorry that i'm talking like this but it's exactly what is happening!

thanks again!

Ah ok! so it seems i wasted money :D
Is it worth to try to listen more and see what happened? or is also wasted time? Since time is really rare in my life, i want to invest it well :D

Currently started LGOP 6.0 although I don't know if it'll be any good.

Since this is a Pheromone Forum I'm curious if anyone has tried their new Alpha Male Pheromones 6.0 Intense subliminal? It says it can be paired with ABW or the part 2 files from ISX. Just wondering if anyone had results with it?

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 19, 2025, 02:06 PMI think I was misled by your phrase "so it seems i wasted money". For me that kind of said you did mind somehow about the money.

No worry, I understand you when you say that time is more precious then money. Same here. I did try some subliminal programs and I had the same feelings most of the time.

Plus, what I said, I don't like it when I don't know what affirmations are pumped in my head. Most subliminal makers don't reveal their affirmations.

So, I wrote my own. First reading about the basic rules. (Like: be positive, don't use words like 'not' and 'never' because your head filters those out, state things in the present, state things like they are already happened/exist.)

Then reading up from people who did add their own idea/way on top of that. (Like: use questions instead of statements, use 'me' instead of 'you', use your own voice or a computer voice, layer several series of affirmations on top of each other.)

I tried some different ways of making affirmations to find out what suits me best.

Once I had the affirmations right, I recorded them in audacity. With some nyquist prompt I could change the frequency to a barely perceptable level, to a frequency that's just within the human hearing, but is bearly detectable, between 15GHz and 20GHz. (I used mostly 17.5GHz.)

I think that works for me. I have positive results with this.

To test this concept, I did some recording with some general 'feeling good' affirmations, combined with some random simple instructions. I played this in public transport, on a speaker that's able to play that frequencies. It seemed that several people were following the instructions. On several occasions. (I did test it quite a bit, because it was funny to see and it gave me the feeling of having some weird power. I know, this last part is a bit dark, though it was a good way to test and proof my way of making these. And the instructions were quite harmless. ('Touch your nose', 'wiggle your foot', 'look at the person next to you', 'smile a lot'.)

I have documented most of the process and how I made these, so if you have any more questions, I might be able to answer them.

To be clear: this was not to keep it cheap, but to keep control. If I worked for money all the time I did put in making these subliminals, I probably could buy every sub in the store of IML.

In the end, instead of buying the fish, I learned myself fishing...

You want to fry my ears by using microwaves?? :D
I'm joking, i guess you meant Khz, and the frequency you use is right in the upper end of the human spectrum!
What is still not clear is what do you mean by change frequency... I mean, are you using some kind of pitch shift to change the voice tuning? What is the name of the Audacity plugin are you using?
I ask for curiosity because it's interesting and is my field! :)

Instead, are you saying you encountered some subs which works and others not and maybe from the same producer? I ask this because is really different if someone is not sensitive to subs at all or some subs are effective and some others not, like what happen with mones usually!

Thanks for sharing these info!

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 21, 2025, 07:34 AMHaha, indeed kHz. Sorry for almost nuking you...

I got the plugin from the Audacity forum:

In this thread (https://forum.audacityteam.org/t/silent-subliminals-solved/20100) and this should be the download link (https://forum.audacityteam.org/uploads/short-url/7WJyeimOKNXGwlvXDQmM8GOaDW4.ny).

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You can also directly copy this code into the nyquist code prompt in Audacity:

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<;nyquist plug-in
;version 4
;type process
;preview enabled
;name "Subliminal"
;debugbutton disabled
;author "Steve Daulton"
;release 2.4.2
;copyright "GNU General Public License v2.0+"

;; License: GPL v2 or later
;; http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html
;;
;; An audio frequency AM encoder / decoder for speech.
;; This is a simple form of Steganography (hiding information
;; within another message or physical object). It is a
;; popular method for creating "Silent Subliminals".
;;
;; Disclaimer: The author makes no claims whatsoever regarding
;; the effectiveness or safety of "Silent Subliminals".
;; Copyright Steve Daulton. http://audionyq.com


;control ACTION "Encode or Decode" choice "Encode,Decode" 0


; Global constants
(psetq *cf* 16000     ; Carrier frequency
       *lf* 300       ; Audio-band low frequency
       *hf* 3000      ; Audio-band high frequency
       *enc-gain* 5   ; Encoder gain
       *dec-gain* 4)  ; Decoder gain


(defun audio-filter (sig)
  (setf sig (highpass8 sig *lf*))
  (lowpass8 sig *hf*))


(defun modulate (sig)
  (mult sig (hzosc *cf*)))


(defun sideband-filter (sig)
  (dotimes (i 8 (mult  *enc-gain* sig))
    (setf sig (highpass8 sig (+ *cf* *lf*)))))


(defun encode (sig)
  (setf audio (audio-filter sig))
  (setf modulated (modulate audio))
  (multichan-expand #'limit (sideband-filter modulated)))


(defun decode (sig)
  (setf audio (mult *dec-gain* sig (hzosc *cf*)))
  (setf audio (lowpass8 audio *hf*))
  (multichan-expand #'limit audio))


(defun limit (sig &aux (limit 0.8) (hld 10.0))
  (let* ((time (/ hld 3000.0))  ; lookahead time (seconds)
         (samples (round (* time *sound-srate*)))
         (peak-env (get-env sig samples time limit)))
    (mult sig
      (snd-exp
        (mult -1 (snd-log peak-env))))))


(defun get-env (sig step lookahead limit)
  (let* ((sig (mult (/ limit) sig))
         (pad-time (* 3 lookahead))       ; padding required at start (seconds)
         (pad-s (* 3 step))               ; padding samples
         (padding (snd-const (peak sig pad-s) 0 *sound-srate* pad-time))
    (extract 0 1
      (s-max 1
        (sim padding
          (at-abs pad-time (cue peak-env)))))))


(cond ((< *sound-srate* 44100) "Error.\nTrack sample rate too low")
      ((= ACTION 0) (encode *track*))
      (t (decode *track*)))>


Thanks for sharing!
I'm not an expert in coding/programming, but it seems to me this should shift the speech bandwidth in an other frequency range, like what the radio do! I'll try, this is an interesting stuff!

Quote from: Mr Level1 on Feb 21, 2025, 07:34 AM

Quote from: Max Grey on Feb 20, 2025, 01:48 PMYou want to fry my ears by using microwaves?? :D
I'm joking, i guess you meant Khz, and the frequency you use is right in the upper end of the human spectrum!
What is still not clear is what do you mean by change frequency... I mean, are you using some kind of pitch shift to change the voice tuning? What is the name of the Audacity plugin are you using?
I ask for curiosity because it's interesting and is my field! :)

Instead, are you saying you encountered some subs which works and others not and maybe from the same producer? I ask this because is really different if someone is not sensitive to subs at all or some subs are effective and some others not, like what happen with mones usually!

Thanks for sharing these info!

Haha, indeed kHz. Sorry for almost nuking you...

I got the plugin from the Audacity forum:

In this thread (https://forum.audacityteam.org/t/silent-subliminals-solved/20100) and this should be the download link (https://forum.audacityteam.org/uploads/short-url/7WJyeimOKNXGwlvXDQmM8GOaDW4.ny).

---

You can also directly copy this code into the nyquist code prompt in Audacity:

Code Select Expand

<;nyquist plug-in
;version 4
;type process
;preview enabled
;name "Subliminal"
;debugbutton disabled
;author "Steve Daulton"
;release 2.4.2
;copyright "GNU General Public License v2.0+"

;; License: GPL v2 or later
;; http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html
;;
;; An audio frequency AM encoder / decoder for speech.
;; This is a simple form of Steganography (hiding information
;; within another message or physical object). It is a
;; popular method for creating "Silent Subliminals".
;;
;; Disclaimer: The author makes no claims whatsoever regarding
;; the effectiveness or safety of "Silent Subliminals".
;; Copyright Steve Daulton. http://audionyq.com


;control ACTION "Encode or Decode" choice "Encode,Decode" 0


; Global constants
(psetq *cf* 16000    ; Carrier frequency
      *lf* 300      ; Audio-band low frequency
      *hf* 3000      ; Audio-band high frequency
      *enc-gain* 5  ; Encoder gain
      *dec-gain* 4)  ; Decoder gain


(defun audio-filter (sig)
  (setf sig (highpass8 sig *lf*))
  (lowpass8 sig *hf*))


(defun modulate (sig)
  (mult sig (hzosc *cf*)))


(defun sideband-filter (sig)
  (dotimes (i 8 (mult  *enc-gain* sig))
    (setf sig (highpass8 sig (+ *cf* *lf*)))))


(defun encode (sig)
  (setf audio (audio-filter sig))
  (setf modulated (modulate audio))
  (multichan-expand #'limit (sideband-filter modulated)))


(defun decode (sig)
  (setf audio (mult *dec-gain* sig (hzosc *cf*)))
  (setf audio (lowpass8 audio *hf*))
  (multichan-expand #'limit audio))


(defun limit (sig &aux (limit 0.8) (hld 10.0))
  (let* ((time (/ hld 3000.0))  ; lookahead time (seconds)
        (samples (round (* time *sound-srate*)))
        (peak-env (get-env sig samples time limit)))
    (mult sig
      (snd-exp
        (mult -1 (snd-log peak-env))))))


(defun get-env (sig step lookahead limit)
  (let* ((sig (mult (/ limit) sig))
        (pad-time (* 3 lookahead))      ; padding required at start (seconds)
        (pad-s (* 3 step))              ; padding samples
        (padding (snd-const (peak sig pad-s) 0 *sound-srate* pad-time))
    (extract 0 1
      (s-max 1
        (sim padding
          (at-abs pad-time (cue peak-env)))))))


(cond ((< *sound-srate* 44100) "Error.\nTrack sample rate too low")
      ((= ACTION 0) (encode *track*))
      (t (decode *track*)))>


I would caution you to not wear earbuds or headphones when listening to a subliminal file that's been encoded with the Nyquist Prompt script. The silent file is actually really loud and considered ultrasonic. I would advise listening only on speakers for this.

Quote from: smithiron on Feb 24, 2025, 12:14 PMI would caution you to not wear earbuds or headphones when listening to a subliminal file that's been encoded with the Nyquist Prompt script. The silent file is actually really loud and considered ultrasonic. I would advise listening only on speakers for this.

I was curious about this, in fact i want to try the silent from MPL and analyze it with a dB level meter which can't go wrong even if is on top of the audible range! i'll try and report when i'll have the time to do some tests! :D

Let our nerdish stuff away and let other people talk about the main topic, we are going off lately :D

Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Nov 01, 2024, 07:16 PMSo here is a weird happening with my ABW5.0x.

I was listening to one of the subliminal loops just about 10 minutes ago and at the end of the masked version I heard part of a subliminal suggestion I clearly heard "act on their interest and attraction in aggressive, obvious and direct ways."

It seemed that the gentle stream masking noise was out of sync by about 3 seconds, so I clearly heard part of the final suggestion loud and clear.

Apologies. This is what I heard on the 5.0 and not the 5.0x version as I listened to the 5.0 version that day by mistake, instead of the usual 5.0x version that I listen to.