...is to have multiple women around you.
If you keep using heavy imprinting mones all the time like Nude Alpha or Voodoo, sooner or later you will start to see the girl that you are using on in an irrational light.
It will start creeping in by little changes in your perception of her. First of which is generally making excuses about her flaws which generally paves the way for denying them entirely or turning a blind eye to them. You will start to make plans with her and if she is also interested in you, you will start falling for her. But while women are generally considered more emotional than men, I tend to disagree. They are very logical creatures by nature. That is why if a guy gets reverse imprinted it sticks around for a very long time while she moves on.
As someone who uses imprinting mones nearly all the time, I can easily say that when I have like 5 different girls on my calendar I do not romanticize my memories with any of them but when it is just one woman I realize that I feel the need to meet with her. I start clearing my schedule and thinking of her more even if she is not compatible with me. If you haven't had much attention from the opposite sex for some time and she then shows you affection, your mind will crave the oxytocin that she gives you and chances of you getting reverse imprinted will increase. Sex is especially dangerous since it is basically the closest you can be to another human being, so be careful if you haven't had sex for a while and you get down to business with her.
Date multiple girls at once
Quote from: Stride on Sep 30, 2025, 11:01 PMDate multiple girls at once
That's easier said than done for some of us. For those of us who are "cosmetically challenged" it's hard enough just trying to get one today, let alone multiples. Add to that being height challenged as well as follicy challenged.
Update:
This is just a theory but I think overdosing on alpha pheromones like AV or BW might help with getting rid of reverse imprinting.
What I have noticed is that whenever I use Aqua Vitae especially high doses, I get so cocky that I feel like the girl is beneath me. Reverse imprinting makes us lose our logic and see the girl in a perfecr way, yes? Well cocky and high and mighty behavior you display with alpha pheromones might help with that in my humble opinion.
You should try to meet the girl with aggressive alpha mones and od a little bit. Not to the point of getting ghosted but to the point of not being able to stop yourself from criticising her and seeing yourself in a grandiose way.
As I have said, this is just a theory but I noticed I couldn't care less about girls and their bs behaviour whenever I od a bit. Might be worth a try.
Btw, maybe adding a bit of alpha under the nose may also prevent getting reverse imprinted. Gotta try next time.
Quote from: HowCool on Oct 17, 2025, 12:44 PMCan swoon cause reverse imprinting?
I assume yes because some people in the old forum did say it has imprinting effects.
I didn't know swoon had imprinting effects, interesting. I've been using it for a while, but also dating multiple girls. I never felt imprinting for any one particular woman.
I'd recommend even to follicly, cosmetically, height challenged guys to work volume, and optimize your game the way you would optimize a marketing or sales funnel.
The steps are:
Approach -> number -> date -> lay -> FB or LTR.
From my experience about 10% of approaches lead to numbers if you're approaching in a target-rich area. 20-40% of numbers lead to dates. And if you run the date properly and seed the pull each time, about 70% of dates end back at your place getting jiggy with it. Once you have all that dialed in it's just about putting more girls into the top of the funnel.
Once you bang a girl 3ish times she gets the memo and starts seeing you as a regular FB.
This is how at any given time I have 3-5 consistent FBs. I've had as many as 14 at a time but that's a full-time job lol. I have seen even bald guys and guys who are far shorter get metrics like that too.
To get them, you need to dial in your strategy. For example it's a rookie mistake not to schedule the date close to your house. If the girl wants to "meet in the middle" you just say "let's meet close to me this time, then next time we can meet closer to your place :)" and I've never had them not agree.
Similarly, if you don't have DHVs ready (meaning stuff that is 100% true for you and not bragging, but gives you higher value just because you're talking about yourself that way) then you won't get as many numbers. Mystery's old-school attraction switches still apply. But ethically speaking, they should be true and unique to you.
If you're a scared child and can't approach, or you're only approaching in areas where there are married women, you won't get as many numbers there either.
I truly believe most guys can dial all of this stuff in to have a pipeline of dates at all times with minimal time investment. Behavior matters, especially since female attraction is based far more on vibes than overt physical qualities. Read some evolutionary psychology books from authors like David Buss or Geoffrey Miller if you don't believe me.
I do think the exception to that is if you're fat. I put on some lbs a few years ago, even when I was about 25lbs overweight I had no problems attracting hot girls. But it started to taper off when I let myself go and reached 35+ lbs overweight. Had to go on a strict diet + 10,000 steps daily and I'm only about 15 lbs overweight now. Still working on it. But the increased receptiveness of girls when I got closer to my fighting weight was noticeable.
So yeah, control everything you can control about your looks. By all means. If you're bald, just shave your head. Literally the dude who is on video banging the most hot girls probably ever did that (Johnny Sins).
And if you can't control it, like you're short or something, then don't worry about it.
Basically the best moves when it comes to game are things you can do to move the interaction forward smoothly. So:
If you don't have her number, get her number as quickly as possible without being socially uncalibrated.
All texts you send to her should have the ultimate goal of getting her to meet up for a date without being pushy.
Then on the date, obviously vibe and relax and get to know her, but make sure to 1. DHV and show interest in her 2. mention something that is cool that's back at your place, that she needs to check out - a show, the view from your balcony, your dog, whatever. And 3. work on sexualizing the conversation or make innocent sexual jokes that are easy for her to laugh at. Also ideal to not sit across from her at a table but find somewhere where you can sit side by side to introduce physicality. Touch her shoulder/hand/etc. Wear interesting bracelets she can touch as you're explaining the story behind it.
Then at the end of the date, "Oh you should check out that xyz I mentioned, my place is right around the corner we should go." I often add "Don't worry, it's not for sex" if I think she might use that as an objection. Or I'll say "You can just have one drink at my place then you have to go, I have to be up early for xyz thing."
Back at your place do whatever the thing is you seeded, but it's best to have a setup where you can sit next to her on your couch. From there it's usually pretty simple to escalate. Initiate a kiss by saying "What color are your eyes?" Then do triangular gazing - R eye, L eye, lips, repeat.
In short, I don't like most PUA stuff because it's gimmicky and wastes time/energy on minutia. Authenticity is better than lines. The most important moves are the moves that move the girl to the next stage of the funnel.
Mystery's observations are valid, but speaking from lots of experience he massively overcomplicated the game. The most important stuff to know from Mystery's work are DHVs, attraction switches, and the compliance model. Mystery is still an OG and deserves everyone's respect though.
Also it helps to nerd out on evolutionary psychology. The book Why Women Have Sex by David Buss is a good one. Also The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller explains how things like humor, wit, art, music, dancing, style, etc. evolved in our species as fitness indicators similar to the peacock's feathers. Because they have no significance for survival. Their purpose is to help women select mates for reproduction.
Anyway this is a long post sorry for droning on but I get passionate about this stuff when guys think the only advantages you can have are purely height, money, looks, etc.
It's the classic mistake both sexes make of thinking that the opposite sex is attracted to them for the same reasons they are attracted to the opposite sex. I've seen obese women go to all the trouble of becoming a doctor because they think it will make high-value men more attracted to them. Not the case. Much easier to lose 60lbs than go through med school.
Quote from: BlackSheep on Oct 19, 2025, 11:43 AMI didn't know swoon had imprinting effects, interesting. I've been using it for a while, but also dating multiple girls. I never felt imprinting for any one particular woman.
I'd recommend even to follicly, cosmetically, height challenged guys to work volume, and optimize your game the way you would optimize a marketing or sales funnel.
The steps are:
Approach -> number -> date -> lay -> FB or LTR.
From my experience about 10% of approaches lead to numbers if you're approaching in a target-rich area. 20-40% of numbers lead to dates. And if you run the date properly and seed the pull each time, about 70% of dates end back at your place getting jiggy with it. Once you have all that dialed in it's just about putting more girls into the top of the funnel.
Once you bang a girl 3ish times she gets the memo and starts seeing you as a regular FB.
This is how at any given time I have 3-5 consistent FBs. I've had as many as 14 at a time but that's a full-time job lol. I have seen even bald guys and guys who are far shorter get metrics like that too.
To get them, you need to dial in your strategy. For example it's a rookie mistake not to schedule the date close to your house. If the girl wants to "meet in the middle" you just say "let's meet close to me this time, then next time we can meet closer to your place :)" and I've never had them not agree.
Similarly, if you don't have DHVs ready (meaning stuff that is 100% true for you and not bragging, but gives you higher value just because you're talking about yourself that way) then you won't get as many numbers. Mystery's old-school attraction switches still apply. But ethically speaking, they should be true and unique to you.
If you're a scared child and can't approach, or you're only approaching in areas where there are married women, you won't get as many numbers there either.
I truly believe most guys can dial all of this stuff in to have a pipeline of dates at all times with minimal time investment. Behavior matters, especially since female attraction is based far more on vibes than overt physical qualities. Read some evolutionary psychology books from authors like David Buss or Geoffrey Miller if you don't believe me.
I do think the exception to that is if you're fat. I put on some lbs a few years ago, even when I was about 25lbs overweight I had no problems attracting hot girls. But it started to taper off when I let myself go and reached 35+ lbs overweight. Had to go on a strict diet + 100 steps daily and I'm only about 15 lbs overweight now. Still working on it. But the increased receptiveness of girls when I got closer to my fighting weight was noticeable.
So yeah, control everything you can control about your looks. By all means. If you're bald, just shave your head. Literally the dude who is on video banging the most hot girls probably ever did that (Johnny Sins).
And if you can't control it, like you're short or something, then don't worry about it.
Basically the best moves when it comes to game are things you can do to move the interaction forward smoothly. So:
If you don't have her number, get her number as quickly as possible without being socially uncalibrated.
All texts you send to her should have the ultimate goal of getting her to meet up for a date without being pushy.
Then on the date, obviously vibe and relax and get to know her, but make sure to 1. DHV and show interest in her 2. mention something that is cool that's back at your place, that she needs to check out - a show, the view from your balcony, your dog, whatever. And 3. work on sexualizing the conversation or make innocent sexual jokes that are easy for her to laugh at. Also ideal to not sit across from her at a table but find somewhere where you can sit side by side to introduce physicality. Touch her shoulder/hand/etc. Wear interesting bracelets she can touch as you're explaining the story behind it.
Then at the end of the date, "Oh you should check out that xyz I mentioned, my place is right around the corner we should go." I often add "Don't worry, it's not for sex" if I think she might use that as an objection. Or I'll say "You can just have one drink at my place then you have to go, I have to be up early for xyz thing."
Back at your place do whatever the thing is you seeded, but it's best to have a setup where you can sit next to her on your couch. From there it's usually pretty simple to escalate. Initiate a kiss by saying "What color are your eyes?" Then do triangular gazing - R eye, L eye, lips, repeat.
In short, I don't like most PUA stuff because it's gimmicky and wastes time/energy on minutia. Authenticity is better than lines. The most important moves are the moves that move the girl to the next stage of the funnel.
Mystery's observations are valid, but speaking from lots of experience he massively overcomplicated the game. The most important stuff to know from Mystery's work are DHVs, attraction switches, and the compliance model. Mystery is still an OG and deserves everyone's respect though.
Also it helps to nerd out on evolutionary psychology. The book Why Women Have Sex by David Buss is a good one. Also The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller explains how things like humor, wit, art, music, dancing, style, etc. evolved in our species as fitness indicators similar to the peacock's feathers. Because they have no significance for survival. Their purpose is to help women select mates for reproduction.
Anyway this is a long post sorry for droning on but I get passionate about this stuff when guys think the only advantages you can have are purely height, money, looks, etc.
It's the classic mistake both sexes make of thinking that the opposite sex is attracted to them for the same reasons they are attracted to the opposite sex. I've seen obese women go to all the trouble of becoming a doctor because they think it will make high-value men more attracted to them. Not the case. Much easier to lose 60lbs than go through med school.
Quite interesting. I would be interested in reading more about these and your thoughts on seduction as a whole in a separate longer post. It had been a long time since I had heard Mystery's name and all the other stuff.
Quote from: Lethal 2.0 on Oct 19, 2025, 12:34 PMQuite interesting. I would be interested in reading more about these and your thoughts on seduction as a whole in a separate longer post. It had been a long time since I had heard Mystery's name and all the other stuff.
Haha yeah I'd love to do that man. Pickup isn't even popular anymore for some reason, this is not the result I thought I'd see when I first discovered it in 2009ish and became obsessed. Younger guys don't even know about it now. And there's all this bullshit dating content all over social media giving men the wrong ideas.
I've been going strong in the trenches for a long time now. When I get the time I'll write a post about it for sure.