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[NA Gel]

Later this week i'm going out with a work colleague. We're both on holiday from work and wanted to go out for fun. We've been for a meal before but i'm not that great on picking up on signals. I know she's single and we have great fun together in the workplace, kind of like Jim & Pam (The Office US). We're looking at just going shopping, having lunch/dinner and maybe also cinema.

Our dynamic is that we're like best friends and occasionally we step over the line, e.g.- furtive glances, lifts to the train station, going out for meals, I create music in spare time and write some romantic songs about her. She appreciates those.
We rely on each other emotionally too. Last week, she was having a bad day so just came into my room (only a small room) & sat on the floor and we chatted.
We both feel free to chat about stuff with each other.

Not looking to jump straight into bed. I care for her too much to move so fast but really want to ignite romantic feelings and gets lots of positive fallout.

My first delivery of NA Gel, A1 (Androstadienone) and Swoon arrived today from AromaFero. I also have some Instant Openness (IO) & Instant Honesty (IH) (from Androtics, circa 2012).

To achieve the desired effects, would you recommend i use all 3 & in what doses?
Also, do i add my cologne (Jo Malone grapefruit) to mask the scent or is that pointless?

Thanks so much for any help.

Wanting an update on this from OP since it sounds like pheromones were long past necessary for this dynamic and colleague is patiently waiting

Worn it twice. Once solo. Second time started solo and about an hour in added 50mcg xsp83

Both times did not see any movements

Inconsistent with me too. Does make me crash a few hours later. Sometimes a headache.

But at other times, I have noticed that when people are around me in my pheromone cloud they go into their shell and don't want to talk at all like they aren't interested in conversation, they go into their own world and their own head

I've experienced this as well.

I still have half a 30ml bottle but really have zero desire to use it

If you have a bottle of NA(g) I'd just use the bottle before getting the oil, if you feel like you HAVE to get another product, get a social, honestly, A Social product is something everyone should have anyway, even if they don't have other products.

Yeah I have a lot of socials. Built quite the stack since I got in the game back in the AD days almost 15 years ago (I feel old typing that out)

You're ruining your data. I'd say take a couple of weeks off of mones, then test NA(g) ALONE for two weeks (while writing your reports)

I definitely tested NAG solo a lot before combining it. I had four 30ml bottles and been testing for 6  years. Down to the last bottle now and testing it with Voodoo and A1 because I've also tested them vigorously solo so I know what they do individually.

Voodoo was my product to use as a "not so good but have it on hand" replacement for glace in AS3s fallout mix since I found my glace to not have much of an effect. This is actually going to be updated with Hypnotica.

It looks like you're mad scientisting.    you have one entry where you used NAG with 9 drops of... voodoo wth... Then 100 MCG A1. . . .

So as I mentioned, I wasn't getting anything with NAG. So did a lot of testing across a broad range to cover all the bases. Started with a pea size, getting all the way up to 10 pumps. Bear in mind this was as gradual changes over a few years. But it was being done because there just weren't any effects.

So nothing but introversion with NAG alone, so let's test in combo. Some Pits work better in combos than by themselves, let's see if that works. That was the thinking.

100mcg of A1 was a new testing measure for me after seeing many other users report on it. Back in the day 30-50mcg was considered the sweet spot. Decided to test the theory since, again, I've tested these 3 mones quite a lot solo, and combined as a poor man's As3's fallout mix

Sorry I missed this post. You mentioned you cleared the floor around you for 20 metere in a circle....you were wearing too much. 

Even at 1spray of something like the old TUTH or would do the same at clubs for me. Didn't mean NAG specifically for this particular part. There's also the consensus that women will move away because they either feel confused at their feelings or frustrated if you don't make a move.

But NAG just does nothing for me at a tiny drop to many pumps, only negative self effect of zoning everyone out and being in my own head because I just don't care.

Heard a few people have inconsistent reports with NAG themselves vs the oil so I'll be trying the oil soon

I had thought that too much A1 become "betafying" - have you noticed anything like this?

I think this is accurate. As I mentioned earlier in this thread when doing high doses of A1 a few girls really loved spending time with me and staying out for 5-6 hours, wanting to see me again, saying how much fun it is. But then saying they weren't sure it was sexual (only ever happened while on high doses of A1)

Swapped out the A1 and just used either Evolve or Alfa Maschio and the next time we met up we slept together.

This new experiment is showing me so far that I'm not having the negative self effects with high doses, but wearing this often is doing the same as before in terms of the beta aura and self feel. At first it wasn't the case, but now it is. Whether I'm naturally adapting or the body is changing to the signature, who knows.

I'll experiment a little bit more for now, but I'm thinking this high a dose should be reserved for once every two months, or a month minimum. First date just to build that connection and that's it.

But if that's the case then it seems better to just use pxs Cohesion and be done with it.

Been using 100mcg of A1 once or twice a week. In combo with NAG and Voodoo. No lethargy. No depression.

This is in direct contrast to my old interactions with A1 at even 60mcg. The only difference I can say is I'm in a place in life where I've done a ton of work on myself over the years and happy with the person I am in majority of aspects of my life

A good replacement for Glace is a mix of Hypnotica/Dirty Primitive in a ratio 3:1.You can mix it in one bottle.Add a few drops to your Na/A1/mix for a potent combo.

Gonna give this a try at some point

[*EDIT*]

You know what, I'm gonna run an experiment and wear 100mcg solo a few times and see what happens 

You'll experience fatigue and possibly depression if worn consecutively.

Yeah I agree. Honestly this is why I use it sparingly. I remember having conversation with you on the old site when I was meeting up with the ex wearing this and jesus... it intensified the one-itis and really made me depressed. That was at only 40mcg. Just wore 100mcg with NAG and Voodoo, and all three of those products make me feel like shit the day after.

You know what, I'm gonna run an experiment and wear 100mcg solo a few times and see what happens 

Be sure to report back AND..... be careful!

Unfortunately I didn't stick to my plan and ended up using a combo. But I DID use the 100mcg just to test.

Mix:
1/2 pump NAG
3 drops Voodoo
100mcg A1 (pxs)
3 sprays Glace (think 2017. But basically water for me)

Results:
Was more of a chilled family lime more than anything and we were also battling with some bad news. But surprisingly we had a pretty decent time just talking. I can't say anything was extraordinary, but maybe the conversation was a little bit more meaningful and really flowed very easily. /end

So not really much to report. The best thing is that I don't feel depressed right now and it's about 7 hours after application. Feel pretty upbeat.

Will update on that in the morning. Probably won't see action in a date setting until next week though

*EDIT*
Felt zero negative effects that I usually do the day after wearing those products. Was pretty upbeat all day surprisingly

You know what, I'm gonna run an experiment and wear 100mcg solo a few times and see what happens 

I do have a question: At what dose does A1 go from "enchanting" toward a female to deer in the headlights or other unexpected behavior? I've used 10mcg / 20 mcg A1 spray from PXS but favored Love Scent's oil, which is apparently pretty high dosage wise. I don't think I've observed odd behavior but only noted it "not working" and wondering if I'm missing something along the way.

Wish I knew. I just know after 30mcg I move from intimidating to 'hey gurl heyyyyyy' in the eyes of my date. Only did that 5 times above 30mcg and results were consistent even with girls I had slept with previously. Like we had a first date, had sex. 2nd date and just kissed because we just wanted to grab some dinner together quickly. 3rd date to her apartment and sex all night. 4th date... 'I'm not sure we have sexual chemistry'

But then I wore Xist + Evolve on 5th date (friendship meet up) annndddddd we were back to having sex again.

5 different girls with the same experience. Only 1 of those girls I can't say whether I would have gotten her back on track or not because I didn't meet up with the 1st one again because I was still confused as to what happened.

That's why I was wondering about other people's experience with other companies and their A1. But HighValue just said it works great for him. So not really sure. Would love more people reporting on it though

I have 1/4 of a pxs A1 bottle left at 20mcg per spray.

I usually use it as 3 sprays a time on it's own or with socials. It gets the ladies extremely comfortable and doing things for me that they wouldn't usually do with other guys.

At 60mcg total as a standalone huh? Interesting. What's your age and racial makeup? Do you OD on -none products easily?

I have NAG and used it a few times, It's a LOT stronger than the oil, so I have to maybe use half a pump. 

NA as a whole again is to use as an imprinter, and a long term kind of thing. Of course in clubs and bars it doesn't really do much unless you expose your target to it for a longer period of time.  I went to a club with this on and sat near a few ladies, and within about 20 minutes of so, they started noticing me and started chatting me up.

Again, I've tried this in a coffee shop and nothing like that happened.  I did get the big eyes of a lady sitting next to me when I began talking to her for a while.   Got her contact info and got ghosted lol. But she really seemed to like my company and lingered just like NA oil does.

Would I use this as a main mone?   Not sure, I'd need to test this more, but honestly I think this is a better one to use when you're already in a relationship and want to get her latching on to you more.  I think NA oil can be used like this as well and maybe more in the club/bar scene. But I think there are better products for that.

If anyone still has NAG I'd just keep testing for a month or two.

That's interesting. I've used anywhere from a third of a pump to like 10 pumps. For me it doesn't do anything.

Clubs and parties don't mix well with me and mones if it's anything sexual or too intimate bonding. I'll find a circle cleared around me and my party within 20 mins of being in my phero cloud.

NAG I've more tried to use with restaurants and bar dates. Never did anything by itself. With Voodoo it did bring girls back. Like I would meet with them like 3-4 times within a week and a half to 2 weeks. But they weren't necessarily doing so with romantic interest

Although I got some pretty decent hits, now that you mention the introversion it definitely took more of an effort to be social.

Maybe a social or playful product like Bliss or Love Boat could help counteract that, but then the sheer amount of mones is starting to get quite excessive.

Have you tried the Cohesion and Xist as a combo by themselves without the NAG?

I've used socials like Shine and Bliss with NAG and I'd say a few things about it:

1.) It does mitigate the introverted aspect somewhat at the beginning, but within a couple hours the NAG wins out.

2.) If you find yourself crashing after a particular social, and then combine that with NAG, the crash the day after might be rough. It is for me.

3.) If a social is needed to buffer the NAG, especially in an already social/bonding mix like with Cohesion and Xist, then is there even an upside to the NAG at that point? Might be better off just using Evolve + Xist/Cohesion as otherwise it seems like a waste of many mones trying to get an effect that seems lackluster overall

I have yet to see success with my NAG

How do you apply it? Dosage? Unscented? Combo or solo?

It might, but one particular target was difficult to crack. In one case it looked like I got better results with a smaller dose but it was hard to read. I never saw anything like deer in the headlights with higher doses but everyone's difference. I know you have to be aware for yourself, too, as I hear some are sensitive to higher A1 and suffer side effects.

I definitely suffer side effects of high dose A1, which is why the added con of being best gal pals at higher dose isn't something I want to continue. Although I wonder what would happen if I just upped a none product at that dose, but even if I did that wouldn't it just mean the regular dose of said none product with a lower dose of A1 would be just as good and waste less product? Ponderings

A1 is what's known as a "female comforter" also it's an imprinter. The reason you'd buy a standalone A1 is usually to combine it with another mone. You can go A1 solo, but most likely you won't get the results you want, and it'll have a chance to mess your mind, or some adverse effects. A lot buy it for the NA+A1 combo and swear by it. Oddly I haven't come around to try it out many times though I have both.

Yeah for sure, the whole point of A1 is to add it to a mix with other products. But I'm wondering how many people actually do this anymore because I see a number of people mentioning these other right off the shelf products that already have imprinting in them