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Nothing. The gym is to get your lifting done within an hour, shower then go home. I'm not trying to talk to people there, not trying to waste time in the gym.

I would also like  to add:

Start with Singular mones first. As in, use one product first so you know it's effects (on you, and others) you'll also learn what situations those mones will do well in first hand.

After you've taken a while to really get good with TWO products, you can think about combining them.

You'll see a few users who've combined many products together.  Most of the time they've done their research and tested both products singularly. Even then, you'll probably use your main mone with a bit of the other one.   For example, if I want to add a bit of sexuality to say, NA, I'd add only ONE drop of DP.   Some users (myself included) have paid the "idiot tax" and used way more than needed, giving reactions that are the opposite of what we want.   Resulting in a wasted night out, as well as wasted product. Be careful of this..

I'm probably going to be sending this page to people who have seemed to skip over this advice, try three diff mones on at the same time at the onset, Overdose on those combos that they didn't master as singular mones, then complain that something doesn't work. When they doused themselves in like 15 drops of different products at the same time lol.  They probably reek before any effects even happen.

There have been studies done on how Men in prison raise their test to super high levels due to being around other high test producing men, This is thought of as a defense mechanism to of the body to protect itself from danger.

BW probably mimics this condition, since it mimics the mones that high test producing men give off.

An interesting side note to add I've noticed through the years is rolling with a good entourage which continues to expand. Now a lot of parties are orchestrated through WhatsApp groups and if you're connected with the right groups then you're in the right parties and you begin to have an elevated status. I discovered this a year or two ago, that there's a lot of group discussions happening behind the scenes.

How do you find what's app groups with parties in your area?

Sorry I missed this post. You mentioned you cleared the floor around you for 20 metere in a circle....you were wearing too much.

Even at 1spray of something like the old TUTH or would do the same at clubs for me. Didn't mean NAG specifically for this particular part. There's also the consensus that women will move away because they either feel confused at their feelings or frustrated if you don't make a move.

But NAG just does nothing for me at a tiny drop to many pumps, only negative self effect of zoning everyone out and being in my own head because I just don't care.

Heard a few people have inconsistent reports with NAG themselves vs the oil so I'll be trying the oil soon

That's strange, because NAG has effects with me when I go out, but I tried it with HS (a social) as As3 and others tested that out a lot on the old forums (the combo was NA(g) a Social(some used glace, others didnt doesn't really matter) and A1. But others just used the NA with the social. The social brings the ladies to you(or at least lets you be social with them) and the NA keeps them.

Only thing is that combo, NA(g) /A1/ Social, is pretty expensive.


If you have a bottle of NA(g) I'd just use the bottle before getting the oil, if you feel like you HAVE to get another product, get a social, honestly, A Social product is something everyone should have anyway, even if they don't have other products.

anyway I'm still testing it though so I'll see later on, over time if it really works and what situations it works in...I've had some VERY interesting experiences with it so far(as in I would have been able to easily get laid the same night or at least later on that week if other external issues weren't in the way), I'll be testing it more in unrestrained ways later.

EDIT:  BRO WAAAIT waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait....

I just skimmed through your journal.... you keep mixing VOODOO with NAG. . . .

It looks like you're mad scientisting.    you have one entry where you used NAG with 9 drops of... voodoo wth... Then 100 MCG A1. . . .

You're ruining your data. I'd say take a couple of weeks off of mones, then test NA(g) ALONE for two weeks (while writing your reports) then maybe add a social if you have for two more weeks(if you don't, dont worry about it) then with A1 (30-40mcg is just enough)

I have NAG and used it a few times, It's a LOT stronger than the oil, so I have to maybe use half a pump. 

NA as a whole again is to use as an imprinter, and a long term kind of thing. Of course in clubs and bars it doesn't really do much unless you expose your target to it for a longer period of time.  I went to a club with this on and sat near a few ladies, and within about 20 minutes of so, they started noticing me and started chatting me up.

Again, I've tried this in a coffee shop and nothing like that happened.  I did get the big eyes of a lady sitting next to me when I began talking to her for a while.   Got her contact info and got ghosted lol. But she really seemed to like my company and lingered just like NA oil does.

Would I use this as a main mone?   Not sure, I'd need to test this more, but honestly I think this is a better one to use when you're already in a relationship and want to get her latching on to you more.  I think NA oil can be used like this as well and maybe more in the club/bar scene. But I think there are better products for that.

If anyone still has NAG I'd just keep testing for a month or two.

That's interesting. I've used anywhere from a third of a pump to like 10 pumps. For me it doesn't do anything.

Clubs and parties don't mix well with me and mones if it's anything sexual or too intimate bonding. I'll find a circle cleared around me and my party within 20 mins of being in my phero cloud.

NAG I've more tried to use with restaurants and bar dates. Never did anything by itself. With Voodoo it did bring girls back. Like I would meet with them like 3-4 times within a week and a half to 2 weeks. But they weren't necessarily doing so with romantic interest

Sorry I missed this post. You mentioned you cleared the floor around you for 20 metere in a circle....you were wearing too much. 

I'm doing more testing of it so maybe in a few months I'll have more data. Otherwise, I'd suggest saving it for when you have alone time with you and the gf.

I might try this one later this year. Or next year( I have a monebacklog)

To be more specific about what having your game on point means. Is first getting your isolation and same night lay logistics down. You need to know where to isolate her to (a place where you can escalate a bit) and then where to bring her out to close (motel, your place, your car etc.)

For the conversstion part Do some light small talk and let her talk. Then when u iso, ask her more about her self.  With some light kino(touch)

Then after you think she's ready (hot and bothered) say ''let's get out of here'' then go. You may have to use some excuse like 'let me show you my one-eyed snake'' etc etc

Thing is it's hard to get logistics right for nightlife.

As you're a true beginner,
I would start with a social first. Not AV.

For your friend that you wanna escape the friendzone with, it's easy. Invite her over (put evolve on  right before she arrives) make dinner together(have her do the easy stuff like wash the veggies or something, make sure she's kinda close to you.  Eat the dinner then put a LONG movie on (make some popcorn with her nearby too)

Snuggle up with her on the couch while the movie is playing and then like an hour in, start escalating(look up some guides for this) with her exposed to evolve for hours push to sex.

Friend Zone exited.

Anything else isn't needed. Get out of your head and out of your own way

Also, you need to get out of the mindset of ''ohnoimmaloseheerrrrrr'' if you make a move and it don't work out, find another girl. Once you do that your ''friend'' will start wanting you more anyway.

So if you win, you win. If you lose, you also win.

Good luck

Hey @RussianWolf

Not sure why people are ragging on you.
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Stop.

People are ragging on him because a LOT of us are from PT1 and saw post after post after post of him reccomend these rediculous ass dosages RIGHT OFF THE BAT when the everyone else who knew what they were talking about told people to test single products at low dosages to start then find the sweet spot. This is like usage 101

I could go in hardcore on this guy over all the bullshitting going on if I wanted to but it's not worth it.

No newbie is going to handle shit like 8-10 drops of BW for example and have a good time (he'd probably have a heart attack tbh) they should not be told to do this.

It's irresponsible as hell. Don't be an enabler. Not cool.

Yeah apps suck. They also suck away the high talent(10s) So they don't need to go out. So getting 10s just to appear in general is a feat.

Product wise...we just need more extensive testing(mentioned this on another post)

I'd also say (I didn't finish my message as I'm typing this from my phone) that I think the community as a whole needs to get back to basics and do extensive testing on single products. Without A1 as we all know what A1 does by now.

I mean just using one product untill you finish it - type testing. If enough people do this, we could easily figure out which products work best.   Maybe @TracerX could set up subforums just for testing reports of single products. Like ''AV testing reports'' ''CAS testing reports'' etc. Maybe have people who do like 9 reports get access to the journals instead of the requirements we have now...idk but I do realize that there just really isn't enough quality testing. (And really hasn't been even in the later days of pt1)

bro what?

nothing like that currently exists.

L2k 2018 did this and more for me.  I had HB10 models in bars come up hug me and kiss me without ANY initiation on my part.  There were like 20 models in the bar.  All came up and had conversations with me.  This one HB 10 was intent on having me and I not only got her number but told her I wanted a hookup and she agreed.  When she walked away to a secret part of the bar to text  me another HB 10 model was on me. 

What I'm saying is there DID / DO exist mones so powerful even if you don't look like Brad Pitt HB9's and 10's will hug, kiss, and give you every sign they want to be picked up. 

I actually experienced this firsthand so this is not in my mind. However, I am actually a VIP at many bars because I frequent and know all the staff.

It was actually not with L2k 2014 but L2k 2018 NOS.

Interesting isn't it?

L2k 2018 / 2014 is no more but what comes close to this effect?  I literally wore a t shirt and jeans !!  Fashionable outfits.  Strong muscles.  About 5'9".  Had 6 foot tall HB 10's compete for my attention.   Men acted like they wanted to avoid me however.  There was  a huge jealousy plotline going on!   Not one man challenged or threatened me however.  They all assumed I was a celebrity or VIP of some sort in the club.

If this sounds like a movie script it's not -- it's a testament to the power of L2k 2014/2018 NOS.

P.S. Keep in mind I was hell bent on my fitness and fashion back then was in my 40's and visiting the same nightclubs 2x week for 1-2 years before t

I know thay l2k back the was pretty much the gilroy. But I can't think of anything close now that's available on the market. Also thr fitmess and fashion is key as well.

I wonder if you got that part handeld later this year, if you could get that effect again with a product you have already

Have any of you gotten a SNL out of AV?  How did it happen? Details.

I find with AV it's.

Honestly a LOT goes into closing same night. Logostics usually aren't good if you go to clubs or bars unlesd u find a hot girl alone(really rare) and without guys trying to hit on them (impossible)

A lot of logistics is just luck and AV isn't really going to really make a girl push through all the stupid obstacles that pop up. To take her to bed that moment. Sure it could happen and AV will help, but I kinda feel that there are better mones for that, and that AV can be used for other things that give better ROI.

Also, someone mentioned that you're 60, you probably have money, why not just buy a night out with a gfe provider? You could probably test stuff on them, save time, and use that time to further your other ventures. Or at least bang enough tens (maybe use evolve heh) untill you're so desensitized that when you go out, you're not even bothered by it.

I kinda feel like you give out a desperate vibe "I must bang 10s!!"

And that drives them away more than the products attract them.

Doing the above can help with that. You can turn yourself into the cool old dude that gets chicks to come with him in his Lambo to his beachside villa without having to stress over it.

I'm closer to 50 than 60 but just curious why do you recommend evolve?  Most people say it's a mone for women one's already laid.....   Have you closed a new woman with evolve?  Was it solo or in combo?  Dosages...

Just money, fast cars, having my mortgage paid off, and being a millionaire all help but I refuse to BUY women.  I have never done so even with HB9's.  I would rather spend the same money on personal development, pheromones and trying to game hb9's the natural way.

In 2017 I dated 9 hb9's kissed and felt up 80% of them on the first date and had sex with several on the second date. 

Ahh that makes sense. What do you think changed from 2017 till now? Products? Women im general? If 2017 was your best year I'd try to figure out what was done then and try to replicate that

Have any of you gotten a SNL out of AV?  How did it happen? Details.

I find with AV it's.

Honestly a LOT goes into closing same night. Logostics usually aren't good if you go to clubs or bars unlesd u find a hot girl alone(really rare) and without guys trying to hit on them (impossible)

A lot of logistics is just luck and AV isn't really going to really make a girl push through all the stupid obstacles that pop up. To take her to bed that moment. Sure it could happen and AV will help, but I kinda feel that there are better mones for that, and that AV can be used for other things that give better ROI.

Also, someone mentioned that you're 60, you probably have money, why not just buy a night out with a gfe provider? You could probably test stuff on them, save time, and use that time to further your other ventures. Or at least bang enough tens (maybe use evolve heh) untill you're so desensitized that when you go out, you're not even bothered by it.

I kinda feel like you give out a desperate vibe "I must bang 10s!!"

And that drives them away more than the products attract them.

Doing the above can help with that. You can turn yourself into the cool old dude that gets chicks to come with him in his Lambo to his beachside villa without having to stress over it.