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They've been out of stock of a bunch of stuff exactly like this before and bounced back, although that was pre-tariffs.

According to Ekscentra "Although we don't technically know 100% that P86 is Androstenetrione, SteveO specifically mentioned somewhere that he would treat P86 as though it were -etrione regardless. So yes, XSP86 is -etrione."
https://pherotruth.fans/Thread-Sources-of-Androstenetrione

So yeah the safest bet is just to buy XSP86.

I bought House of Nutrition 6-oxo but I'm not sure how effective it is. Still need to do more testing.

Can we really use the supplements and dilute it into a spray or oil so that it has pheromone like effects?

I haven't done it myself, but it seems like a large percentage of the people who have tried to DIY it say it doesn't work like the PT stuff. There are two kinds of astaxanthin, naturally occuring, which is esterfied, and lab made, which isn't. I'm not sure which PT uses.

There was some speculation that P83 might be beta THDOC. I don't think anyone knows what P96 is besides Androtics, Stevo, and Garry

Nude alpha  is working for me very well at 1-2 drops.
For regular Nude i need a higher dose.

This is my experience as well. I used to apply higher doses of NA, but looking back at my notes all the best reactions came from 1-2 drops.

Hold the sample vial opening against your wrist facing upright. Now flip it upside down and right side up again while maintaining contact with your skin. Four of those flips are about equal to one drop from the full-size euro dropper.

I just want to get out have some fun, a good cup of coffee and watch some gals learn to swish again post covid.

Very wholesome. And excellent reporting.

Have you noticed it effecting certain races of girls more than others? Or any negative effects on specific races?

Can you cold approach with TL solo at 2 sprays?

Does it give you enough kick?  Or is this one of those mones that won't help you out talking?

Does it help you think what to say to a girl?   Does it make social easy in any way.

It's said to increase bonding and comfort but I am wondering if it helps with vocab skills?

Like I said before I don't think it works well under 6 sprays.

But you can cold approach with it solo and it will definitely get the girl talking. I haven't noticed it effecting my own conversational skills too much, only the girls. HOWEVER, IME if you are wearing it solo and trying to get sexual it will actively cock block you by making the girl too happy/talkative/comfortable where she is too think about sex.

It might be good solo for getting numbers to set up a date later, I mostly go for SNL these days so not absolutely sure about that one. But it was created to be a buffer for high none mixes, not to be used alone.

True Love is great but be aware that 6 sprays (the amount you should be using) has around 53 mcg of A1 so it may not jive with you. But then again the est and meo-est might offset some of the bad A1 self effects. I like to combo it with NPA or NPA + NA, and you can experiment with throwing something high androsterone on top of that.

On HOP PheroJoe said anything more than 2 sprays would get you FZ'ed or come across as beta to other men or women and lose social interaction.

He did recommend up to 6 sprays when combined with Am NOS or SOB XS.

I tend to like to keep things simple.  If I just add NA or NPA what age and nationality of women is it attracting, and how good looking would you say they are?  Dosages for NA and NPA alongside TL spray?

You ever try TL AV? 

It really doesn't work the same under 6 sprays. There seems to be a minimum effective dose of around 100mcg with meo-est and anything under that doesn't have the same kick. But I've never worn it solo, only in combo.

I've been using it with one or two drops NA and between one and five dabs NPA depending on the girl, among other combos. So far it's working on white, East and Southeast asian and Indian girls. 25 to mid 30s. 7s 8s And 9s but the 9s were pretty down to earth girl next door types if that makes sense. Being super hot wasn't a big part of their personality.

I haven't tried it with AV yet but I bet it would work.

This saddens me.  I can't wear high A1 . Does that mean Meo won't work for me?

AV is close quickly TL is LTR how do they mix?

I don't think it's LTR as much as it's like being wrapped up in a big warm safe comfortable horny blanket for the girl

They're just a distributor, but when you order from them they actually pass on the order to Garry and he's the one who ships it to you.

True Love is great but be aware that 6 sprays (the amount you should be using) has around 53 mcg of A1 so it may not jive with you. But then again the est and meo-est might offset some of the bad A1 self effects. I like to combo it with NPA or NPA + NA, and you can experiment with throwing something high androsterone on top of that.

On HOP PheroJoe said anything more than 2 sprays would get you FZ'ed or come across as beta to other men or women and lose social interaction.

He did recommend up to 6 sprays when combined with Am NOS or SOB XS.

I tend to like to keep things simple.  If I just add NA or NPA what age and nationality of women is it attracting, and how good looking would you say they are?  Dosages for NA and NPA alongside TL spray?

You ever try TL AV? 

It really doesn't work the same under 6 sprays. There seems to be a minimum effective dose of around 100mcg with meo-est and anything under that doesn't have the same kick. But I've never worn it solo, only in combo.

I've been using it with one or two drops NA and between one and five dabs NPA depending on the girl, among other combos. So far it's working on white, East and Southeast asian and Indian girls. 25 to mid 30s. 7s 8s And 9s but the 9s were pretty down to earth girl next door types if that makes sense. Being super hot wasn't a big part of their personality.

I haven't tried it with AV yet but I bet it would work.

True Love is great but be aware that 6 sprays (the amount you should be using) has around 53 mcg of A1 so it may not jive with you. But then again the est and meo-est might offset some of the bad A1 self effects. I like to combo it with NPA or NPA + NA, and you can experiment with throwing something high androsterone on top of that.

Figuring out AM is a little trickier since Chris left less clues. I am working on it though...

Isn't it this?

Denatured Ethanol, organic MCT oil, Androstadienone, Androstenone, Androstanone, Androsterone (- Alpha Androsterone), Epiandrosterone – Beta Androsterone, Alpha Androstenol, Beta Androstenol (3-beta), Androstenetrione, DHEA, DHEAS, Pregnenolone, EpiAlloPregnanolone, Androstadienol.

That looks like something by Pulseline to me, not Alpha Dream. Here are the ingredients to 2013 AM but it's finding the right amounts of each that's difficult:

Alpha Maschio - components: 8
- mg per bottle: 29
- unique pheromones 4
COMPOSITION: Cyclomethicone, Dimethicone, Alcohol, Vitamin-E Acetate, androstadienone, androstenone, androstanone, androsterone, epiandrosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sodium sulfate, alpha-androstenol, dhea

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If you guys all know the L2k , AM , and Glace formulas WTF is no one re-producing these golden gems?

What's stopping the best pheromone scientists from conjuring them up and re-selling them , albeit to a smaller group in today's market?

whiskeyzulumike the owner of Royal Pheromones has talked about making a recreation of L2K. I told him to call it Permit 2 Slay. Not sure how close it would be without using the same sources of molecules as Chris but I'd love to give it a try

Can we get this project going so it's out on the market to buy before the winter?   I am very excited to hear this news.  Perhaps the owner needs to hear a few words of enticement and wisdom from a 30 year veteran like myself, who has used over 200+ products and considers L2k 2014 in his top 5. 

I would also like to have a few words with you in private PM over this.  I'd like to see this project come before years end and on the market asap.

Edit:  1 HR later.  I've contacted Royal Pheromones and suggested the project be started without delay asap.  There is a huge audience out there that would buy into L2k 2014 even if it wasn't 100% identical to the AD 2014 l2k formula.

Edit:  6 HRS later.  Anybody have Am or L2k in Actual L&S scent still around?  Would you be willing to donate it for the purpose of recreating L2k going forward?  I'm asking because the potential creators of the new formula have no yardstick to measure L&S by and they need it.

PM me if you are willing to donate it.
DSOUZA

Feel free to DM me, but for the record I'm not affiliated with Royal Pheromones, I just chat with the owner on the discord sometimes. And I do have a third of a bottle of 2013 AM for comparison purposes.

Is it in L&S?

Nope, unscented

Figuring out AM is a little trickier since Chris left less clues. I am working on it though...