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@Max Grey Are you still using Xist and Casanova? I actually read your thread that you made. What mones do you use now?

Lately i'm trying to use mones less as possible because of this reason and because i'm dealing with depression issues in general. I switched between NA, Evolve, Xist and BW sometimes. I don't use Casanova anymore mainly because it seems to me to be not consistent. Since my actual target is always a friendzone target, i'm using Xist which seems to be safe because it doesn't contain A1 and it vibes really well with me. I'm always tempted to use Evolve which is the best one nowadays, in my opinion, but it hits too hard on me and always leads me to blues! I'll try sometimes to use it again as a test, or other new more balanced products i still want to try, but at the moment Xist is the way!

Hello

In 2023 I ordered my first pheromone which was Aqua Vitae (how original) and then I got Grail of Affection and used them with moderate success but then life got in the way and I stopped using them for about a year.

After 1 year I had a date and I saw GOA to which I said, why not use it? I used it with my date and GOA did what it was supposed to do: It slowly tore her walls down and over the course of a few meetings this emotionally avoidant girl was making out with me. This made me go on a mone spree and I forgot about the details because to be honest I was feeling a bit invincible especially thanks to Aqua Vitae and life going generally well.

But then I used GOA for 3-4 days straight WITHOUT cleaning the application points. I would literally sleep with 1-2 drops of A1 on my neck and forearms. It finally started to hit me and I started feeling a bit mellow and nostalgic. Constantly smoking cigarettes, thinking about how life was meaningless etc. but then my girlfriend had to leave the town and we had to separate and that is when sht hit the fan.

I got into such a bad depression out of nowhere I can't even describe it. I wrote so much messed up stuff that night on my diary that I can't even explain. But a hint is half a page is just filled with the word ''suicide'' over and over. I couldn't concentrate and acted like a zombie for 3-4 days before I remembered something about A1 causing depression. When I tried to search for it I saw that old forum was gone but its archives showed similar things happening to other men too.

So please take care and do not rush in without thinking about the details. I was remembering something about A1 depression but I thought it wouldn't be able to cause depression in me lmfao. I also remember using close to 5-6 drops NPA at the age of 24 and wondering IF I overdosed when the girl tried to keep her distance from me lol. These things matter and if you can take your time your results will skyrocket AND you will be able to protect yourself from harm (when I realised all I needed was a small dab of NPA instead of nearly 10 drops (laughing just writing this but it is true), I started seeing sexual IOI's everywhere)

I definitely understand what are you talking about! I opened a 3D about this topic a few months ago, if you want to take a look it's called "mones and depression". I understood i can't use mones which contains A1 at all, i can tollerate the other molecules whithout any problem, also imprinting blends like NA, but i have always to pay attention to the ones which has A1 inside. It's a pity because obviously the best blends are the ones which are A1 based, but they have to be used carefully and at least everything has to be cleaned well before going to sleep every time!

I'm interested on this topic and i'll follow this discussion! I'd like to see many contribution by the other users, in my opinion this topic should be discussed well and always as a first warning on mones usage!

Androstenone not A1-Androstadienone)

Ah okok, sorry, i read wrong!
Anyway what should happend with such high dose of androstenone?

So you thought dosing pheromones would give you the axe commercial effect 

Wanna see  if they actually work?
Dose yourself with 200 mcg of Enone and comeback to us

What should happen using 200mcg of A1? I'm curious about these extreme experiments

Hello all! I cue on this 3D since i want to test NA more deeply. I already use it sometimes and i always noticed something "weird" happens every time i wear it. I noticed 2 kinds of effects, the "instant" one and the "retarded" one. About the instant one i can say girls became more touchy and they want to talk so much, instead about the retarded one, i felt like girls become something like possessive. The weird thing is that effects are not really consistent, i mean sometimes they happens and sometimes not. Since i want to try more about NA, i was wondering if maybe there is a perfect dosage to achieve the best potential from this blend without going too conservative and avoiding going OD. I always see people who says you need to go high in dosage and other people says only a few drops are enough or that certain mones works better on low dosage! I can't recognize myself
An other topic is the well discussed A1 mix, besides the best dosage which is not clear (also because there are so many concentrations available and this is sometimes confusing), i don't understand if this is mandatory or not and what is supposed to do exactly. Honestly i would prefer not to use A1 since i have depression problems and i noticed this often amplify those status, but understanding which is the correct recipe would of course be helpful!

Thanks to all in advance

I would caution you to not wear earbuds or headphones when listening to a subliminal file that's been encoded with the Nyquist Prompt script. The silent file is actually really loud and considered ultrasonic. I would advise listening only on speakers for this.

I was curious about this, in fact i want to try the silent from MPL and analyze it with a dB level meter which can't go wrong even if is on top of the audible range! i'll try and report when i'll have the time to do some tests!

Let our nerdish stuff away and let other people talk about the main topic, we are going off lately

Haha, indeed kHz. Sorry for almost nuking you...

I got the plugin from the Audacity forum:

In this thread and this should be the download link.

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You can also directly copy this code into the nyquist code prompt in Audacity:

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<;nyquist plug-in
;version 4
;type process
;preview enabled
;name "Subliminal"
;debugbutton disabled
;author "Steve Daulton"
;release 2.4.2
;copyright "GNU General Public License v2.0+"

;; License: GPL v2 or later
;; http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html
;;
;; An audio frequency AM encoder / decoder for speech.
;; This is a simple form of Steganography (hiding information
;; within another message or physical object). It is a
;; popular method for creating "Silent Subliminals".
;;
;; Disclaimer: The author makes no claims whatsoever regarding
;; the effectiveness or safety of "Silent Subliminals".
;; Copyright Steve Daulton. http://audionyq.com


;control ACTION "Encode or Decode" choice "Encode,Decode" 0


; Global constants
(psetq *cf* 16000     ; Carrier frequency
       *lf* 300       ; Audio-band low frequency
       *hf* 3000      ; Audio-band high frequency
       *enc-gain* 5   ; Encoder gain
       *dec-gain* 4)  ; Decoder gain


(defun audio-filter (sig)
  (setf sig (highpass8 sig *lf*))
  (lowpass8 sig *hf*))


(defun modulate (sig)
  (mult sig (hzosc *cf*)))


(defun sideband-filter (sig)
  (dotimes (i 8 (mult  *enc-gain* sig))
    (setf sig (highpass8 sig (+ *cf* *lf*)))))


(defun encode (sig)
  (setf audio (audio-filter sig))
  (setf modulated (modulate audio))
  (multichan-expand #'limit (sideband-filter modulated)))


(defun decode (sig)
  (setf audio (mult *dec-gain* sig (hzosc *cf*)))
  (setf audio (lowpass8 audio *hf*))
  (multichan-expand #'limit audio))


(defun limit (sig &aux (limit 0.8) (hld 10.0))
  (let* ((time (/ hld 3000.0))  ; lookahead time (seconds)
         (samples (round (* time *sound-srate*)))
         (peak-env (get-env sig samples time limit)))
    (mult sig
      (snd-exp
        (mult -1 (snd-log peak-env))))))


(defun get-env (sig step lookahead limit)
  (let* ((sig (mult (/ limit) sig))
         (pad-time (* 3 lookahead))       ; padding required at start (seconds)
         (pad-s (* 3 step))               ; padding samples
         (padding (snd-const (peak sig pad-s) 0 *sound-srate* pad-time))
    (extract 0 1
      (s-max 1
        (sim padding
          (at-abs pad-time (cue peak-env)))))))


(cond ((< *sound-srate* 44100) "Error.\nTrack sample rate too low")
      ((= ACTION 0) (encode *track*))
      (t (decode *track*)))>


Thanks for sharing!
I'm not an expert in coding/programming, but it seems to me this should shift the speech bandwidth in an other frequency range, like what the radio do! I'll try, this is an interesting stuff!

I think I was misled by your phrase "so it seems i wasted money". For me that kind of said you did mind somehow about the money.

No worry, I understand you when you say that time is more precious then money. Same here. I did try some subliminal programs and I had the same feelings most of the time.

Plus, what I said, I don't like it when I don't know what affirmations are pumped in my head. Most subliminal makers don't reveal their affirmations.

So, I wrote my own. First reading about the basic rules. (Like: be positive, don't use words like 'not' and 'never' because your head filters those out, state things in the present, state things like they are already happened/exist.)

Then reading up from people who did add their own idea/way on top of that. (Like: use questions instead of statements, use 'me' instead of 'you', use your own voice or a computer voice, layer several series of affirmations on top of each other.)

I tried some different ways of making affirmations to find out what suits me best.

Once I had the affirmations right, I recorded them in audacity. With some nyquist prompt I could change the frequency to a barely perceptable level, to a frequency that's just within the human hearing, but is bearly detectable, between 15GHz and 20GHz. (I used mostly 17.5GHz.)

I think that works for me. I have positive results with this.

To test this concept, I did some recording with some general 'feeling good' affirmations, combined with some random simple instructions. I played this in public transport, on a speaker that's able to play that frequencies. It seemed that several people were following the instructions. On several occasions. (I did test it quite a bit, because it was funny to see and it gave me the feeling of having some weird power. I know, this last part is a bit dark, though it was a good way to test and proof my way of making these. And the instructions were quite harmless. ('Touch your nose', 'wiggle your foot', 'look at the person next to you', 'smile a lot'.)

I have documented most of the process and how I made these, so if you have any more questions, I might be able to answer them.

To be clear: this was not to keep it cheap, but to keep control. If I worked for money all the time I did put in making these subliminals, I probably could buy every sub in the store of IML.

In the end, instead of buying the fish, I learned myself fishing...

You want to fry my ears by using microwaves??
I'm joking, i guess you meant Khz, and the frequency you use is right in the upper end of the human spectrum!
What is still not clear is what do you mean by change frequency... I mean, are you using some kind of pitch shift to change the voice tuning? What is the name of the Audacity plugin are you using?
I ask for curiosity because it's interesting and is my field!

Instead, are you saying you encountered some subs which works and others not and maybe from the same producer? I ask this because is really different if someone is not sensitive to subs at all or some subs are effective and some others not, like what happen with mones usually!

Thanks for sharing these info!

Ah ok! so it seems i wasted money
Is it worth to try to listen more and see what happened? or is also wasted time? Since time is really rare in my life, i want to invest it well

The recommended 30-60 days per stage is a general recommendation. How long exactly, whether it be 30 days or 60 days, depends on you. If you still encounter discomfort (aka resistance), then you should listen to each stage for more than the minimum of 30 days. If you don't feel resistance towards the end of the 30 days, then it's ok for you to start the next stage, or perhaps extend it to the half-way point of 45 days.

What do you mean with resistance? I honestly have no feelings (at least until now) listening this material. I only feel relaxed listening to the ocean waves
I took it on trust of you other users, but i take it as "i believe it works", i have no evidence like with some certain mones i had the chance to test and verify they works! So having no evidence and no strange effects on me, i have to understand how long to listen to this material before passing to the next one. I'm sorry that i'm talking like this but it's exactly what is happening!

thanks again!

Hello all, i was curious about this topic and i wanted to give a chance to these programs and so i decided to buy SSM6. I'm trying to figure out how it should works, since i completed the first 5 days of Stage 0 and i'm doing the 2 days stop. Now i'm wondering how long i need to go with stage 0 before going on stage 1 and ahead? they say to continue for 35 to 65 days but there is no a feedback i would look to... What do you think about it?

Thanks in advance!

Thanks for your words, i really appreciate your help!
btw, before getting the flu this last week, i tried to go out with BW and i have to say i would use it only for the selfies... Honestly i didn't notice any effect on the others but i guess this is also because of the personal congruence with the product you are going to use. I think this is the only Alpha product i own at the moment, besides NA and SOB (i gifted it because i can't stand the smell). About NA instead, i think this is more congruent with me but i fear about the imprinting properties you guys suggested to avoid. Even if you can use it without A1, i think it could be dangerous anyway. Do you have an advice on what NOT TO USE absolutely? my stuff is listed below

Any support will be appreciated and i suggest again to improve this 3D and make maybe a list of product to use or to avoid absolutely to help people in case of need! I think this topic is often discussed but taken not too seriously and i think this is a big mistake!

Do you think it can be related to Testosterone level? (i guess you mean that with T). Or worst, testosterone level can be modulated from mones usage? maybe it would be interesting to do a blood test and involve this exam to be certain about this. I guess it's not recommended at all to use mones if someone is facing hormonal problems.
I think this 3D should be expander and discussed well, not only related to depression but also about health and safety in general!

I found this 3D scrolling back in the forum and i found it really interesting! I give my experience with some of the mones i own:

LIIK (the old one): This was the best mone i ever tried, hit well almost every time, i had sex and some kind of obsession from a girl i frequented some times. Bad things (It hit very well but not on everyone; some people notice it as a really bad smell).

Evolve: very noticeable effects like openness, need to touch, it led me to sex. Negative notes: not always consistent.

Xist: i'm still experimenting with, but it led me to sex and i temporally excaped from a long time friend zone as it is supposed to be, but only for one night. I really like this mone and i feel comfortable with it but i suspect it can cause depression. I'm investigating on it.

BW: I love it for the scent and for the self effects. Honestly i didn't noticed really visible effects on others but i guess this is because i'm not really congruent with it as some people say. I want to experiment again and i'm really confident this would be a really good product.

N.A: I didn't test it so much but i noticed some visible effect like "i like your smell" and i noticed something like an instant imprinting effect with only one exposure, as it is supposed to act, but since that was a weird situation i can't tell all the credit is because of it. I want to try it again and better.

Casanova: I like the scent but i didn't see any effect and i suspect it contributed to make me feel bad.

SOB: i tried one time and it seems really really powerful but i can't use it, i feel uncomfortable because i feel i smell like cheese. I gifted it to a friend.

MX3: Used it too little to give a feedback, but it seems to be very sexual/touchy but only with certain persons. I don't really know if it changes by the versions as many users says, i bought it in 22 or 23.

ETFZ: I need to try it better, but i need to have the chance to try it on a long time ans small exposures which is not easy to manage. They says this is a slow acting product and i believe it. I think it should worth a trial.

I own other products but i tried them very little to have an opinion. In general i think PXS and LAL products are very good nowadays. But i say again, this is only my little experience and i also think the effectiveness vary a lot by the person, especially about the congruence between your temperament and the product itself.


I try to launch an idea which is similar to the topic of this 3D:
Why don't we do the "new year" review of the best products like in the past years was done? I thought to open a 3D about it since it was not done yet but i remember someone said some time ago that there is a certain guy (i don't remember who) who likes to do it and i don't want to steal the idea!

I try to lift up this interesting 3D!
Thanks to RussianWolf for posting the "unpheroed" version of BW which could be a great game changer to cover other unscented products! But i guess the original question was related to a "standard" cologne you can find in a grocery or in a perfume store which smells similar to BW. I give you an example i thought so many times: Since BW fragrance is pretty intense and if you use it in high doses you can't easily hide it, you can encounter that situation when someone asks you what perfume are you wearing. If you are with strangers you can say whatever you want, but if the person who ask this is someone you see very frequently it could be a problem if you want to keep the mones stuff "secret". Obviously in that case you cant say "i'm using BW cologne without mones inside"