TAH = Hedione

[JAYCEE]

Here is my old post from ptruth that I made after indi-player made his game-changing post on TAC.
I figure I'll just repost it here:


TAH molecule H reveal

TAH has been an open secret for years, so we may as well get it out there.

Salute to Mr indi-player who's big reveal on TAC put my mind "abuzz" on the other molecules.

If AD was trolling their customers to such an extent that TAC=THC, then what info can we glean from other names like TAA, TAK, TAH, etc?

A lot, I think.

I did not come to my conclusion by testing and comparing reactions. I'm just looking at the social engineering aspect, so to speak.

TAH is not the giant that TAC was, so molecule H is not a game changer in the phero world. But I think it may lead others to similar conclusions about other molecules based solely on the spelling of the names.

Based on the spelling of the molecule name, I argue that:

TAH = Hedione

My memory sometimes fails me, but I remember over at the now-defunct forum, Jazzy-J herself said that TAH "improves every blend" and it's in all their retail products (Ammo, IS, IH, etc).

Hedione is a fixative that is used now in many designer fragrances. The fact that it smells like jasmine doesn't hurt my argument, I think.





In 2019, LPMP user halo0073 posted (obviously referring to AD in a post about hedione):


It can have phero like effects. Widely reported and accepted. It just does not for me. I know a lot of guys too who bought into the hype when another major phero company put it into every existing formula because he believed in it so much and most were disappointed if not downright angry that it did nothing for them and in some cases felt that it made the established formulas weaker.



If you go to the SINGLE MOLECULE WIKI on the LPMP store site, you can see Hedione listed as one of the pheromones they use. Many years ago, they purchased TAH from AD and used it in blends like
Neanderlicious.

If you want to try out hedione without actually buying the seperate ingredient, just spray on some CK1, which I read on basenotes before everything was deleted there that it's around 30% composition by mass at the concentrate of hedione.

Aventus is another high-hedione fragrance.

Hopefully, others can look at the "social engineering" aspect of what they were doing at AD in the early 2000s to name their products.

Cheers!

[Mr Highvalue]

Any idea what TAL is?

[JAYCEE]

Any idea what TAL is?

Other than "Angelina Jolie in a bottle," no. lol
My guess is it starts with the letter L but it doesn't stand for "Left."

[ebbnflow]

Any idea what TAL is?

Possibly epirone?

From Tish:

"epiandrosterone

Also known as Beta androsterone, Said to be a weak androgen.

Androgens are basically male steroids for those who dont know.

Its a precursor of dehydroepiandrosterone which we should also explore. Normally found urine and in testicular and ovarian tissue.

Not a lot of studies I am able to find indicating this one is a pheromone or acts as one. I would guess that it does though.

People have reported its relaxing confident similar to Androsterone but on a less masculine level.

I have read that it acts as a preovulatory hormone in females but there is little to back that up.

Many Pheromones can be found in natural substances and if you know the properties of those and what they have been used for for years I find I get a indication for what the pheromone can do. It seems to always connect there. I know this is not scientific but its just something I noticed

epiandrosterone can be found in pine pollen. Pine Pollen is used to increase the libido in men as well as give a feeling of well being. Soothing male energy.

This is just a wild guess but I am thinking P89 or P81. Possibly TAL"

https://pherotruth.fans/Thread-Pheromones-by-chemical-name?page=1

[He-Mone]

Epi Androsterone or possibly Androsterone Sulphate, which also have uplifting effects.

Androsterone sulphate is TAA.

[He-Mone]

Androsterone sulphate is TAA.

Thanks for your insight on this. Androsterone Sulphate is indeed a possibility. Weren't people also saying it is AndrostadieNOL?

Is this your experience? Did you test both the molecules Rone-S and TAA (preferably in different strengths and situations) and compare them?

Or was it revealed sometime, somewhere by Androtics Direct?

TAA being androsterone sulphate is one of the few putative identities that almost everyone agreed on back in the day. I haven't tried androsterone sulphate solo, but based on my testing of bliss, which is androsterone sulphate based, and TAA, I believe it's true.

5,16-androstadienol is something that dbot said felt like TAA, but in the alpha dream blind molecule testing got widely varying reactions, most of them not TAA-like.

[He-Mone]

TAA being androsterone sulphate is one of the few putative identities that almost everyone agreed on back in the day. I haven't tried androsterone sulphate solo, but based on my testing of bliss, which is androsterone sulphate based, and TAA, I believe it's true.

5,16-androstadienol is something that dbot said felt like TAA, but in the alpha dream blind molecule testing got widely varying reactions, most of them not TAA-like.

Check! Nice that you had this information within reach somewhere. I did it only from memory.

I do have Rone-S, which is a very fun molecule to experiment with. I got it from PXS.

I know that you have TAA from AD too. Let me know if agree that TAA = Rone S after further testing.