Gels and oils

[zzzquillll]

Hello my friends.

I currently own every product by LAL other than the copullins stick

What is the consensus on how gels perform vs oils? The LAL and PXS AIs tell me the opposite of what I read here, they say that gels hit hard and fast, similarly to a spray seemingly.

On Royal Pheromones the gels are advertised to last 24 to 48 hours without showering.

Anyone have experience with a product in both its oil and gel forms, and want to share their observations?

[RussianWolf]

They act differently almost like a different product.   The Aqua Vitae behaved totally different from the oil.   I haven't tried Bad Wolf or Nude Alpha  but thinking about it

[zzzquillll]

They act differently almost like a different product.   The Aqua Vitae behaved totally different from the oil.   I haven't tried Bad Wolf or Nude Alpha  but thinking about it

How did AV gel differ?  I just used regular AV oil a couple nights ago in my stack for a hookup and had great results. I'll make a post soon

[RussianWolf]

Yeah the AV oil hits hard and fast while the gel didn't.  I used the entire bottle of gel and it never duplicated how the oil behaved.   I never got good returns on SXD-9 either.  The gels just seem off to me, I'm sure they work but it's a totally different animal.

[zzzquillll]

Yeah the AV oil hits hard and fast while the gel didn't.  I used the entire bottle of gel and it never duplicated how the oil behaved.   I never got good returns on SXD-9 either.  The gels just seem off to me, I'm sure they work but it's a totally different animal.

Makes sense to me man, I imagine that the gels would be more of a "slow burn" compared to the oils. Also, I made a post about the AV oil experience just now if you'd like to check it out! Thanks again brother.

[Tuggboat]

Overdose gell is the only one that works for me, the others seem to grab attention but only briefly and are touchy on dose too. Overdose has some latitude that nude and sxd9 don't. I thought they needed hot days but pulse points seems to alleviate the need to watch the weather, Jugular vein works as does crook of arm. Od combined with hypnotica oil is one of my favorite combos. I get kinda outlandish

[PlayItLoud]

How much OD do you wear?
Hopefully I can try it out. I had a sample and I liked it.

[zzzquillll]

Overdose gell is the only one that works for me, the others seem to grab attention but only briefly and are touchy on dose too. Overdose has some latitude that nude and sxd9 don't. I thought they needed hot days but pulse points seems to alleviate the need to watch the weather, Jugular vein works as does crook of arm. Od combined with hypnotica oil is one of my favorite combos. I get kinda outlandish

Dude I had a very blatant hit last night with OD in my stack! Got approached and followed around for 4+ hours by a woman with 12 years on me, got her number as well. Stack consisted of 1 pump OD to my wrists, 3 drops of regular Nude to my neck, 1 25mcg drop of A1 and 1 drop of Voodoo to my inner elbows (the vein where people inject drugs)

I'm going to start running mones one at a time now, so I can see exactly what does what for me. If I had to guess what worked on the lady last night, I would think it was likely the OD since I've read that as women age they respond better to alpha mones. I'm sure the Nude beautification helped as well, I'm handsome but wouldn't say I'm a 10/10 haha.

[zzzquillll]

How much OD do you wear?
Hopefully I can try it out. I had a sample and I liked it.

I had good results using 1/8th to 1/4 pump incorporated in a stack during a hookup I mentioned in another post. I also had a very blatant hit last night using 1 full pump in another stack which I just described above!

[Alphonso]

I'm progressively changing my mind on gels. I was not a fan at the Beguinning and I think they require more experience than oils hence are more difficult to handle.

The easy ones for me are Sxd9 and OD probably because they don't exist in oil form so no comparison can be made.

NAG ans BWG are trickier. At the moment i'm on NAG and I love it but it took me time, dosage is important. BWG, too early to say, too recent to be able to tell any valid point. Only thing for sure is that the the carrier makes them completely different products vs the oil form.

[Alphonso]

Overdose gell is the only one that works for me, the others seem to grab attention but only briefly and are touchy on dose too. Overdose has some latitude that nude and sxd9 don't. I thought they needed hot days but pulse points seems to alleviate the need to watch the weather, Jugular vein works as does crook of arm. Od combined with hypnotica oil is one of my favorite combos. I get kinda outlandish

That is strange that You need hypnotica with OD as to me OD has already a Good amount of social in the forefront

[PlayItLoud]

I'm progressively changing my mind on gels. I was not a fan at the Beguinning and I think they require more experience than oils hence are more difficult to handle.

The easy ones for me are Sxd9 and OD probably because they don't exist in oil form so no comparison can be made.

NAG ans BWG are trickier. At the moment i'm on NAG and I love it but it took me time, dosage is important. BWG, too early to say, too recent to be able to tell any valid point. Only thing for sure is that the the carrier makes them completely different products vs the oil form.

You're right! That's an excellent point.
The gel carrier used for both sxd9 and OD is different than the one used for the rest of the LAL gels, according to Gary.

Also, both OD and sxd9 can be applied by the pump rather than by the drop.
The recommened dose for either sxd9 or OD is 1-2 pumps. Meanwhile, if you're used to a particular dose for an oil product (let's say 5 drops of NA oil), then you'd need to try to apply that equivalent volume in the gel (i.e. 5 drop-sized globs of NA gel).

Even for those, one can still apply by the pump,though. Just keep in mind, each pump is the equivalent of 11-12 drops of its oil version (euro-drops). Thus, if you're not used to higher doses of the oil, you will notice a difference using the gel if you're dosing by number of full pumps.

Thankfully, Garry's formulas are balanced and can be worn at high doses and it won't backfire. It would just be overkill or extra/unnecessary product you're using.   

For example, I was such a noob at the beginning, I interpreted 1 drop as one 1 dropper-full. AV was my first product and I interpreted 1-2 drops as 1-2 glass pipettes filled to maximum.
I applied 1.5 of those. That would be aroubd 30-40 drops of AV!
 
I wore this on the first day I ever tried pheromones and.. I got incredible results. Made me believe in mones.

[zzzquillll]

I'm progressively changing my mind on gels. I was not a fan at the Beguinning and I think they require more experience than oils hence are more difficult to handle.

The easy ones for me are Sxd9 and OD probably because they don't exist in oil form so no comparison can be made.

NAG ans BWG are trickier. At the moment i'm on NAG and I love it but it took me time, dosage is important. BWG, too early to say, too recent to be able to tell any valid point. Only thing for sure is that the the carrier makes them completely different products vs the oil form.

You're right! That's an excellent point.
The gel carrier used for both sxd9 and OD is different than the one used for the rest of the LAL gels, according to Gary.

Also, both OD and sxd9 can be applied by the pump rather than by the drop.
The recommened dose for either sxd9 or OD is 1-2 pumps. Meanwhile, if you're used to a particular dose for an oil product (let's say 5 drops of NA oil), then you'd need to try to apply that equivalent volume in the gel (i.e. 5 drop-sized globs of NA gel).

Even for those, one can still apply by the pump,though. Just keep in mind, each pump is the equivalent of 11-12 drops of its oil version (euro-drops). Thus, if you're not used to higher doses of the oil, you will notice a difference using the gel if you're dosing by number of full pumps.

Thankfully, Garry's formulas are balanced and can be worn at high doses and it won't backfire. It would just be overkill or extra/unnecessary product you're using.   

For example, I was such a noob at the beginning, I interpreted 1 drop as one 1 dropper-full. AV was my first product and I interpreted 1-2 drops as 1-2 glass pipettes filled to maximum.
I applied 1.5 of those. That would be aroubd 30-40 drops of AV!
 
I wore this on the first day I ever tried pheromones and.. I got incredible results. Made me believe in mones.

I'm interested in hearing about the results you had from using so much AV, man!!

[Arrow]

I'm going to start running mones one at a time now, so I can see exactly what does what for me. If I had to guess what worked on the lady last night, I would think it was likely the OD since I've read that as women age they respond better to alpha mones. I'm sure the Nude beautification helped as well, I'm handsome but wouldn't say I'm a 10/10 haha.

Good idea! Patience is extremely important in this hobby.

Running mones one at a time will show you what each one does individually.

This will help you when it comes to making your own mixes/combos.

Nothing is instant! Not even the latest mone product that everyone raves about.

If you're willing to practice patience and learn from your experiments, instead of chasing instant gratification, then you're already showing alpha vibes and you'll learn a lot more than most in this hobby.

[zzzquillll]

I'm progressively changing my mind on gels. I was not a fan at the Beguinning and I think they require more experience than oils hence are more difficult to handle.

The easy ones for me are Sxd9 and OD probably because they don't exist in oil form so no comparison can be made.

NAG ans BWG are trickier. At the moment i'm on NAG and I love it but it took me time, dosage is important. BWG, too early to say, too recent to be able to tell any valid point. Only thing for sure is that the the carrier makes them completely different products vs the oil form.

What's your go-to dosage with NAG? And how does it compare/contrast in effect with NA in your experience?