Friendzone Destroyer

[Spanish Fly]

My to-go seduction combo of BW + Taboo has converted 5 female friends into FWB.

What had been your typical doses?

4+4, but you can go much higher without issues.
BW pre-2017, Taboo unscented.

[Spanish Fly]

For those recommending Xist, it does kinda work, but needs several exposures, separated by days or weeks of no contact. And no contact means just that. No calls, messages, nothing.
Each exposure, raise the dosage slightly. And don't let it get to you! Keep it away from your own face.

[Max Grey]

You all are doing here a super lesson on how to be an alpha male!
I really appreciate it, even if i know how i should act and i know also that if i would act in this way, there would be no problem in getting what you want, even without using mones at all!
I would like to be like this, but if you have been "beta" all the life, it's not easy to switch the game from the night to the day unfortunately. If i will ever be like you are suggesting me, it will be a long journey to achieve this goal! If i will be able to do this, i'll thank you forever!!
Meanwhile, i'm into mones usage to have a little help to manage these situations that are very difficoult to me, and i'm only trying to choose the best product which goes along with my game, trying of course to improove it day by day!

[Max Grey]

For those recommending Xist, it does kinda work, but needs several exposures, separated by days or weeks of no contact. And no contact means just that. No calls, messages, nothing.
Each exposure, raise the dosage slightly. And don't let it get to you! Keep it away from your own face.

This is a great adcive! I already known about other mones that should be used like that, even if honestly i don't remember well the topic! Did't know Xist should be used like that.
What about the dosages? Which would be a minimum to have effect and a maximum to avoid OD? And it's also true it should be used only for short exposures like someone suggested for ETFZ?

[Max Grey]

Just a little update and a huge thanks to your support...

I finally acted as you advised! I still don't really know how but a few days ago i had the power to be really alpha and after a long intense conversation with the friend target i kissed her and without any effort everything gone in the right way. We had a sexy night even if i was not at top because of anxiety and because it was really unusual as a situation, but finally she was satisfied.
I couldn't believe it was possible but it happened. But than, the day after i have been friendzoned again and since i was not really prepared to all this weird situation, i continued to act almost well all the time, but finally my brain crushed because it was too much and i finished in a really "beta" way... Now i don't know what to do honestly but i wanted to share with you this experience and thanks everyone for every contribute you gave me!

P.S.
About mones, i was wearing Xist Oil but i guess it was not so relevant because we were out and was cold most of the time.

[TracerX]

Just a little update and a huge thanks to your support...

I finally acted as you advised! I still don't really know how but a few days ago i had the power to be really alpha and after a long intense conversation with the friend target i kissed her and without any effort everything gone in the right way. We had a sexy night even if i was not at top because of anxiety and because it was really unusual as a situation, but finally she was satisfied.
I couldn't believe it was possible but it happened. But than, the day after i have been friendzoned again and since i was not really prepared to all this weird situation, i continued to act almost well all the time, but finally my brain crushed because it was too much and i finished in a really "beta" way... Now i don't know what to do honestly but i wanted to share with you this experience and thanks everyone for every contribute you gave me!

P.S.
About mones, i was wearing Xist Oil but i guess it was not so relevant because we were out and was cold most of the time.

Good job getting the kiss, now you've got buyer's remorse with her. Your inner state eventually comes out, it looks to me like you aren't really at ease with this situation yourself, you call it weird, if for you it's weird she'll feel it's even weirder. Also you're putting way way too much mental energy into this girl, as if it's your last chance to find love or you'll die alone.

Pheromones work in the cold too.

[Max Grey]

Good job getting the kiss, now you've got buyer's remorse with her. Your inner state eventually comes out, it looks to me like you aren't really at ease with this situation yourself, you call it weird, if for you it's weird she'll feel it's even weirder. Also you're putting way way too much mental energy into this girl, as if it's your last chance to find love or you'll die alone.

Pheromones work in the cold too.

Yes, you are on right. I have to be honest, she is a special person in my life as i said in the previous posts and since many years ago, when the first time we had a little flirt i fallen in love very bad, this is the danger now. And besides this, even if it will not continue in a relationship way (very likely) it could be hard to rebuild a good friendship as before, or even worst loose it completely.
For now i am in the mood to wait some time and maybe than starting to think on what to do!

[Max Grey]

Hello all!
I try to lift up this topic because i really need your help! I'm not usual to ask for helping me in this way but i feel very bad about how the situation is mutated.
After so many days of no contact, i met again the lady on her proposal, she asked me to go out. I'm happy that luckily the situation is not totally crashed and we still meet and we are ok but there is a wall between us because of the embarrassment and the fear of "making damages", but i can't really stand this situation.
Obviously the best thing would be to lead this friendship to a love relationship but i was already conscious this option wouldn't so probable. Now the problem is that with this wall, is not possible to have the same situation as before and it's become something like a forced "low level conversation" friendship. Obviously this can only lead to a reciprocal disinterest and loosing everything for real this time.
Now, i need to revert this situation in some ways and of course i'm working very hard on my inner game which i know it's the main problem, but i wanted to ask you what we can do here to help tis situation to turn better. I lately used Xist with this girl, and i have to say it seemed to work very well. Only the last time i tried to mix it with 2 drops of Cohesion, as someone suggested somewhere into the forum.
What should be your best advice regarding mones to have a little help in softening a little bit this tension and trying to reopen totally the conversation level we had before at least?
I need something like old L2K, which helped me so much with an other person in a similar situation, but this time, besides i conserve only a few drops of this wonderful blend, it seems not to be effective on this actual girl. I thought something like Evolve which is really effective on this target or maybe going ahead with Xist only and changing nothing. I want to hear your opinion before doing some decisions!

Thanks in advance, God bless you!

[sigma]

Propose some adventurous place for date like go-carting, pool table, hiking, movie or at least a some place where you don't need to much talking and pheromone work underneath bit by bit. I'm not discouraging and I might be wrong here, but my inner instinct says that the more you open your mouth, the more situation will get screwed. As  Xist is working. Wear the same combo or pheromone with same dosage you wore earlier when you kissed her so that you're not inconsistent. She want's to test that you are good enough for her as a mate and you're not fooling around. She might shit test you by acting weird and try make you freak out so that she can see you're a true alpha or imposter trying to get into her pants.


Now, the main part how to handle shit test. Remember this solution for life in one phrase "Agree and Exaggerate". She gives you weird statement/question and which is usually not true. She wants to see how you react.

Example:

She: I'm looking Fat?
You: Yes, I never seen more fatter person than you on this earth (With big cocky smile).

She: Are you player?
You: I have five harems in five different countries (With big cocky smile).

By this women know that you have much experience with shit test by other women and not a rookie in this shit test game. Usually women like this kind of answer if you say it confidently. She doesn't want straight answers of shit test and give her that clit bone jerk of your alpha essence by passing the shit test. Don't creep her out by 'No, You're the best' that validation and feet kissing every betas do.

Lastly, even if you get her. It will be not helpful for your inner game. You need to go out on every weekend where you can talk with other women. If you're introvert you can take salsa class where don't need much talking. Because the path you're on is very dangerous, As you're already infected with oneitis. I hope you follow my advice to go outside to meet other women for you're own well being.


Forgive, If I wrote anything offensive. My only intention was to help you.

[Max Grey]

Thank you very much for the exaustive answer! I will continue with the same consistency about mones as you suggested!
About the game stuff instead, tou are on right, i know well that the problem is on me and i need to escape from this way of thinking. But the other problem is: with a brand new target it's easier to act as you are saying but in this case, maybe i didn't explained very well, we know each others like about 20 years and the problem now is we built up a wall that previously has never been up and i really need to revert this situation! I know it's mostly a game issue but this is an added problem which i'm really frustrated to deal with now.
Thanks so much for helping me, really appreciated!

[sigma]

problem now is we built up a wall that previously has never been up and i really

The wall you're labeling is a sexual tension between you and her which you're unable to handle as things were very platonic in the past and as you not able to handle the sexual tension you want to revert back to platonic friendship which is not going to serve your purpose. Don't choose the beta orbiter strategy it will kill your game. From what you're saying you're on the path to becoming her regular boyfriend. Try to arrange logistic next time as you meet and seal the deal. Try t-max 150 from Garry as it is a instant testosterone booster if you have guts problem to escalate from kissing to close.

I want reiterate again that oneitis not only bad for your career as a womanizer but also bad for your mental health which can lead to extreme situations like suicide. Understand this and take care of your mental health atleast.

[Max Grey]

problem now is we built up a wall that previously has never been up and i really

The wall you're labeling is a sexual tension between you and her which you're unable to handle as things were very platonic in the past and as you not able to handle the sexual tension you want to revert back to platonic friendship which is not going to serve your purpose. Don't choose the beta orbiter strategy it will kill your game. From what you're saying you're on the path to becoming her regular boyfriend. Try to arrange logistic next time as you meet and seal the deal. Try t-max 150 from Garry as it is a instant testosterone booster if you have guts problem to escalate from kissing to close.

I want reiterate again that oneitis not only bad for your career as a womanizer but also bad for your mental health which can lead to extreme situations like suicide. Understand this and take care of your mental health atleast.

This is one of the best lessons i ever received... I can only compliment with you and thank you very much for what you wrote...


Stay tuned for the next developments!

[Max Grey]

A little update about this situation and a thought about mones usage...

Luckily, even if there is nothing sexual/love situation between us now, the previous good situation is almost came back. We talk normally, there are no more walls between us and i talked a little bit about what happend without going so deep and everything seems to be good now! Also the "soft flirting" mood is slowly coming back and i'm really happy.
Lately, i tried to switch between several mones tu understand better what happens with this girl and also with other potential targets. In particular, besides Xist which did the magic but also did't do the best in the next stage, i tried NA+A1 (Very good but not what i expect at the moment) and Evolve again. I received the last week a new bottle of Evolve, oil version this time. I already used this product with different girls and i always seen good effect, i like it so much. The girl which i am in this situation responds very well to Evolve, or at least it seems to me, but i haven't got the chance to test it now again in oil version. I tried it the last week at a concert where i was with an other female friend of mine in with i'm not really interested but i were in the mood to play a little bit anyway. In that situation this girl were very flirtous and i guess if the situation were a little bit better (There were to much people in this place) i would earn a kiss close. Returning to the main target instead, what do you think about using Evolve again? Xist did the work the last time, but since we were in the bed together one time, using something really sexual and really effective on this girl would be a good deal, what do you think about? Or maybe is better to continue using Xist?

Have a nice day!

[Max Grey]

Hello all! it was a long time i didn't report on this situation and i want to give you an update and why not listening about your stories too and any advice which will be really appreciated!
So, after a few months from the "weird night", everything seems to be returned to normality again even if something is changing in me. Basically i got enough to be always "beta" and bringing myself into these unsatisfying or very hurting situations, i started to work hard and invest into the game especially into the inner game as i always felt a lack of self esteem and all that stuff.
But one fact happened which made me clicking a switch in my mind which will lead to a drastic change now. I heard (directly from her) that she had sex again with his ex boyfriend... I was wondering how it was possible that the last dick she seen was mine for so long time, and so the answer... Honestly hearing it made me lose interest a little bit and the feeling is something like "you don't deserve me" or better "this is disgusting for me" but at the same time i decided she deserves to be punished now. Please don't think bad, i'm not an asshole, and i usually don't talk like this! The correct description of what i feel now is something like Bud Spencer says in All The Way Boys, "there is no bad guy more bad than a good guy when he becomes bad" (I don't know if in the original version they say the same sentence but this is one of the best jokes of the Italian version).
So the main purpose now is that i definitely want to have sex again with her and than i know what to do well, but i need to achieve this goal!
Here comes the mones... Let's be honest guys, nowadays in every relationship we are always the weak side, there is nothing to reply about, every time we notice the pussy smell, every girl can do everything she want with us, even with the strongest alpha man... And so, having a good help with our special scents is almost mandatory even if your game is already good.
Making a little recap about that, i tried some blends with this girl, i think the more powerful is always been Evolve, even if i had sex when i was wearing Xist. I tried also BW, ETFZ and NA. I have to test well this last one because i remember that the last time i seen her before "the night", i was wearing it and the day after we had a fire discussion and she was acting like we were a couple.
Now, after all i wrote before, lately i always used Evolve again because i thought it was good to spice up the situations with that sexual vibe but i noticed that lately it is no more working very well like in the past. Maybe because i switched to the oil version after the spry has expired or maybe because something is changed and this blend doesn't vibe well anymore. I was thinking about making a change and i was looking all over into the forum looking for the perfect mone, but i have to say i'm really undecided. I was thinking to buy Unresistible which seems to be very good from your reviews. Or maybe is better to switch again on Xist or ETFZ, why not? or maybe try to test better NA+A1 which seems to work well but not tested very well...
If you have any advice about that, or if you were stuck into similar situations i will be happy to read you all! 

[Mr Highvalue]

Hello all! it was a long time i didn't report on this situation and i want to give you an update and why not listening about your stories too and any advice which will be really appreciated!
So, after a few months from the "weird night", everything seems to be returned to normality again even if something is changing in me. Basically i got enough to be always "beta" and bringing myself into these unsatisfying or very hurting situations, i started to work hard and invest into the game especially into the inner game as i always felt a lack of self esteem and all that stuff.
But one fact happened which made me clicking a switch in my mind which will lead to a drastic change now. I heard (directly from her) that she had sex again with his ex boyfriend... I was wondering how it was possible that the last dick she seen was mine for so long time, and so the answer... Honestly hearing it made me lose interest a little bit and the feeling is something like "you don't deserve me" or better "this is disgusting for me" but at the same time i decided she deserves to be punished now. Please don't think bad, i'm not an asshole, and i usually don't talk like this! The correct description of what i feel now is something like Bud Spencer says in All The Way Boys, "there is no bad guy more bad than a good guy when he becomes bad" (I don't know if in the original version they say the same sentence but this is one of the best jokes of the Italian version).
So the main purpose now is that i definitely want to have sex again with her and than i know what to do well, but i need to achieve this goal!
Here comes the mones... Let's be honest guys, nowadays in every relationship we are always the weak side, there is nothing to reply about, every time we notice the pussy smell, every girl can do everything she want with us, even with the strongest alpha man... And so, having a good help with our special scents is almost mandatory even if your game is already good.
Making a little recap about that, i tried some blends with this girl, i think the more powerful is always been Evolve, even if i had sex when i was wearing Xist. I tried also BW, ETFZ and NA. I have to test well this last one because i remember that the last time i seen her before "the night", i was wearing it and the day after we had a fire discussion and she was acting like we were a couple.
Now, after all i wrote before, lately i always used Evolve again because i thought it was good to spice up the situations with that sexual vibe but i noticed that lately it is no more working very well like in the past. Maybe because i switched to the oil version after the spry has expired or maybe because something is changed and this blend doesn't vibe well anymore. I was thinking about making a change and i was looking all over into the forum looking for the perfect mone, but i have to say i'm really undecided. I was thinking to buy Unresistible which seems to be very good from your reviews. Or maybe is better to switch again on Xist or ETFZ, why not? or maybe try to test better NA+A1 which seems to work well but not tested very well...
If you have any advice about that, or if you were stuck into similar situations i will be happy to read you all! 

I've sent you a message privately about this situation and what I would do if I were in your shoes.