Experiences with LTRs and Mones?

[Prudent.Biscotti]

I'm still new to the game and doing a lot of reading/research on the forums. Just wondering what your experiences have been when using 'mones to help with some of that initial attraction/attention grabbing and then getting into a relationship with a woman you met while wearing these products. I'm looking for something more long term and don't see myself wearing them while in a relationship.

Do women find it deceptive? Is it inauthentic or do they feel tricked? Curious on your thoughts and experiences.

For context, i'm a 39 yo that's into women 29-34. Most of my life i've dated older women (late 30's/early 40's) bc they're more upfront about their intentions and easy to read (for me at least). Younger women have also been difficult for me to read (still working on it). Got into these products to help give me a little more alpha vibes when I go out... I was also out at this restaurant/bar and was near this guy that kept spraying himself with some stuff and I saw a visible change in the body language of the two women he was talking to. When I asked him what cologne he had all he would tell me is it was a body spray and wouldn't tell me what it was lol.

**tried to search for this topic on the PT archive, but no joy**

[TracerX]

Good question. To a big degree it can be deceptive for them, a women, when she falls for a guy often thinks there's something special, some kind of magic in the air and she doesn't know what it is. If you give her mones as a reason that kinda breaks her reality in a way and she might think you're just using a chemical to make her feel that way.

If you fall for a beautiful girl and later realise she's been using some high end make up and under that she's just a below average girl.. well most men might get pissed (depending of course on how big of a difference there is).

The big question is whether she would like you when you stop using the mones, and the answer is that some girls might no longer like you. Serious books have been written saying that scent is a key factor in mate choosing, so going by that logic of course it's deception.

In a serious LTR I don't use mones, in a lover based one I can use them. Often times after initially using mones and stopping the girl can still like you, maybe even the same or more. I just don't see myself forever wearing chemicals on my body for the purpose of keeping love.

Long ago before I really got to know the mones world I was dating my girl, and she once asked me if I use pheromones, I didn't really know what those are much then, but that topic really worried her she double asked me if I use those. She heard a few cases where people used those, fell in love, stopped using them and it all crumbled. Maybe she experienced that, I don't know but her worry about it was real.

[Mr Highvalue]

I'm still new to the game and doing a lot of reading/research on the forums. Just wondering what your experiences have been when using 'mones to help with some of that initial attraction/attention grabbing and then getting into a relationship with a woman you met while wearing these products. I'm looking for something more long term and don't see myself wearing them while in a relationship.

Do women find it deceptive? Is it inauthentic or do they feel tricked? Curious on your thoughts and experiences.

For context, i'm a 39 yo that's into women 29-34. Most of my life i've dated older women (late 30's/early 40's) bc they're more upfront about their intentions and easy to read (for me at least). Younger women have also been difficult for me to read (still working on it). Got into these products to help give me a little more alpha vibes when I go out... I was also out at this restaurant/bar and was near this guy that kept spraying himself with some stuff and I saw a visible change in the body language of the two women he was talking to. When I asked him what cologne he had all he would tell me is it was a body spray and wouldn't tell me what it was lol.

**tried to search for this topic on the PT archive, but no joy**

Getting initial attention and attraction is a different game totally than when in a relationship. Pheromones are good for that initial attraction and attention. The problem I've found is that when you're in a relationship with the same girl you met when you had the Pheromones on to attract her, it will get tricky. You will need to change them up to something more relationship friendly and she may notice a drastic change in your perceived behaviour as to when you had the attraction Pheromones on. It will depend on how often you see her too. If you see her everyday it will make it extremely hard to change your pheromone signature or drop them altogether. If you see her less frequently then you can slowly change your signature or reduce your pheromone use over time around her as it is not so much like a "shock to the system" if you know what I mean.

No more decpetive than men getting a hair transplant and physically showing the girl you don't carry the bald genes, when in actual fact you do but she can't tell now that the baldness is masked.

[Prudent.Biscotti]

I think you both brought up some concerns that are in the back of my head. I'm not looking to wear these chemicals on my everyday and feel the pressure to maintain the same signature to maintain attraction. For example, I meet a girl out at a bar or wherever with pheromones on. Start talking and go on date without pheromones and I feel like she will perceive that something is off. Or maybe feel tricked that the initial attraction/attention grabbing was aided by pheromones; and all the hype that comes from them.

I'm pretty much done with ONS and was really looking for something to help with that initial attraction/attention while i'm out. Especially as I get older and more grey lol. And also hitting this late 30's (about to be 40) crisis and having a difficult time with girls in their younger 30's.

[RussianWolf]

go on date without pheromones and I feel like she will perceive that something is off.

Yeah, don't do that.  Imagine if she went on the first date without makeup and wearing sweatpants with flip flops. 
Mones are about the equivalent of that.

[ebbnflow]

That makes me think about birth control where women on BC seem to want more "beta" men. Are they just deceiving themselves? lol

But if you're out of shape and looking for a LTR, one thing you can do is hit the gym and put on muscle mass to increase T levels and, therefore, natural mone levels. After all, enone, anol and A1 are metabolites of testosterone. Plus a nice physique doesn't hurt.

[KingTaco]

I am in a LTR for over 10 years now. She knows about the mones and so far we have mixed results. Just started this journey but i am already actively logging it in my journal. Basically she thinks the mones smell bad, but im starting to think they do have some effect.

I recently started to work out to lose  bit of my dad bod and get more muscular.