The best mones that break down gold diggers 9's and make them compelled .....

[Dsouza]

to chase you all the way to the bedroom....


What mone or mone combination would give off this vibe?

I'm thinking a mone that makes gold diggers who only go after money so compelled to chase a man that they don't care about money and are fixated on sleeping with him not because he's exceptionally good looking , rich, tall etc but because he's not playing into her demands it drives her crazy.

Basically psychology.  Women want what they can't have.

[CJ_W]

bro what?

nothing like that currently exists.

[Alphonse]

Sorry can't help, the one I have only works on 10s.

A

[Dsouza]

bro what?

nothing like that currently exists.

L2k 2018 did this and more for me.  I had HB10 models in bars come up hug me and kiss me without ANY initiation on my part.  There were like 20 models in the bar.  All came up and had conversations with me.  This one HB 10 was intent on having me and I not only got her number but told her I wanted a hookup and she agreed.  When she walked away to a secret part of the bar to text  me another HB 10 model was on me. 

What I'm saying is there DID / DO exist mones so powerful even if you don't look like Brad Pitt HB9's and 10's will hug, kiss, and give you every sign they want to be picked up. 

I actually experienced this firsthand so this is not in my mind. However, I am actually a VIP at many bars because I frequent and know all the staff.

It was actually not with L2k 2014 but L2k 2018 NOS.

Interesting isn't it?

L2k 2018 / 2014 is no more but what comes close to this effect?  I literally wore a t shirt and jeans !!  Fashionable outfits.  Strong muscles.  About 5'9".  Had 6 foot tall HB 10's compete for my attention.   Men acted like they wanted to avoid me however.  There was  a huge jealousy plotline going on!   Not one man challenged or threatened me however.  They all assumed I was a celebrity or VIP of some sort in the club.

If this sounds like a movie script it's not -- it's a testament to the power of L2k 2014/2018 NOS.

P.S. Keep in mind I was hell bent on my fitness and fashion back then was in my 40's and visiting the same nightclubs 2x week for 1-2 years before this kind of hollywood effect took place.

[mahalo silver]

Dude. Youre probably the most experienced phero guy on here. you have been around on all the phero forums for many years now. im sure you have the answers

[Dsouza]

Well unless my L2k 2024 arrives and trumps all else, Casanova in my book is the closest you can get to pulling hb9 tall models without the disinhibition that products like L2k and M3X also gave.

With CAS 1.0 the models will come close to your vicinity.  It's up to you to talk to them.  I find talking comes quite easily with CAS as it relaxes me.

I have never EVER been kicked out of a club or even been given a warning while wearing CAS.  The management immediately assumes I am correct and a woman may have taken offense , wrongly, to something I may have done or said.

On the other hand I have been kicked out of bars with Ensnare and IMPI.

I love CAS but it doesn't trump L2k 2014/2018 nor M3X 2017 which made getting hotties a breeze.  Both had disinhibition which CAS doesn't seem to have.

In todays world there's UR.  I get a lot of talk with UR but I have never even gotten a number or date on it. This is why I stopped using it.  With the above 3 mones CAS, L2k, and M3X I have had lots of success.

They all seem to have something in common -- social sexuals, social proof,  and verbal fluency.  L2k and M3X also had a disinhibiting effect. 

I don't feel the pheromones world has made a product that surpasses L2k 2014 nor M3X 2017.

It is ridiculous given how far A.I. has come in recent years.  It's everywhere and more and more money put into it.

Yet we have regressed in the pheromones world from days of peak development.

[mahalo silver]

Sorry can't help, the one I have only works on 10s.

A

LOL.

[Phero_SA]

Venom

[Riseaknight]

Chloroform works wonders for me on 9's and 10's.

[CJ_W]

bro what?

nothing like that currently exists.

L2k 2018 did this and more for me.  I had HB10 models in bars come up hug me and kiss me without ANY initiation on my part.  There were like 20 models in the bar.  All came up and had conversations with me.  This one HB 10 was intent on having me and I not only got her number but told her I wanted a hookup and she agreed.  When she walked away to a secret part of the bar to text  me another HB 10 model was on me. 

What I'm saying is there DID / DO exist mones so powerful even if you don't look like Brad Pitt HB9's and 10's will hug, kiss, and give you every sign they want to be picked up. 

I actually experienced this firsthand so this is not in my mind. However, I am actually a VIP at many bars because I frequent and know all the staff.

It was actually not with L2k 2014 but L2k 2018 NOS.

Interesting isn't it?

L2k 2018 / 2014 is no more but what comes close to this effect?  I literally wore a t shirt and jeans !!  Fashionable outfits.  Strong muscles.  About 5'9".  Had 6 foot tall HB 10's compete for my attention.   Men acted like they wanted to avoid me however.  There was  a huge jealousy plotline going on!   Not one man challenged or threatened me however.  They all assumed I was a celebrity or VIP of some sort in the club.

If this sounds like a movie script it's not -- it's a testament to the power of L2k 2014/2018 NOS.

P.S. Keep in mind I was hell bent on my fitness and fashion back then was in my 40's and visiting the same nightclubs 2x week for 1-2 years before t

I know thay l2k back the was pretty much the gilroy. But I can't think of anything close now that's available on the market. Also thr fitmess and fashion is key as well.

I wonder if you got that part handeld later this year, if you could get that effect again with a product you have already

[Dsouza]

bro what?

nothing like that currently exists.

L2k 2018 did this and more for me.  I had HB10 models in bars come up hug me and kiss me without ANY initiation on my part.  There were like 20 models in the bar.  All came up and had conversations with me.  This one HB 10 was intent on having me and I not only got her number but told her I wanted a hookup and she agreed.  When she walked away to a secret part of the bar to text  me another HB 10 model was on me. 

What I'm saying is there DID / DO exist mones so powerful even if you don't look like Brad Pitt HB9's and 10's will hug, kiss, and give you every sign they want to be picked up. 

I actually experienced this firsthand so this is not in my mind. However, I am actually a VIP at many bars because I frequent and know all the staff.

It was actually not with L2k 2014 but L2k 2018 NOS.

Interesting isn't it?

L2k 2018 / 2014 is no more but what comes close to this effect?  I literally wore a t shirt and jeans !!  Fashionable outfits.  Strong muscles.  About 5'9".  Had 6 foot tall HB 10's compete for my attention.   Men acted like they wanted to avoid me however.  There was  a huge jealousy plotline going on!   Not one man challenged or threatened me however.  They all assumed I was a celebrity or VIP of some sort in the club.

If this sounds like a movie script it's not -- it's a testament to the power of L2k 2014/2018 NOS.

P.S. Keep in mind I was hell bent on my fitness and fashion back then was in my 40's and visiting the same nightclubs 2x week for 1-2 years before t

I know thay l2k back the was pretty much the gilroy. But I can't think of anything close now that's available on the market. Also thr fitmess and fashion is key as well.

I wonder if you got that part handeld later this year, if you could get that effect again with a priduct you have already

Hit the gym as of today as you speak.  Looking to lose 10-15 lbs of fat while ripping up.

[CJ_W]

I'd also say (I didn't finish my message as I'm typing this from my phone) that I think the community as a whole needs to get back to basics and do extensive testing on single products. Without A1 as we all know what A1 does by now.

I mean just using one product untill you finish it - type testing. If enough people do this, we could easily figure out which products work best.   Maybe @TracerX could set up subforums just for testing reports of single products. Like ''AV testing reports'' ''CAS testing reports'' etc. Maybe have people who do like 9 reports get access to the journals instead of the requirements we have now...idk but I do realize that there just really isn't enough quality testing. (And really hasn't been even in the later days of pt1)

[He-Mone]

Well unless my L2k 2024 arrives and trumps all else, Casanova in my book is the closest you can get to pulling hb9 tall models without the disinhibition that products like L2k and M3X also gave.

With CAS 1.0 the models will come close to your vicinity.  It's up to you to talk to them.  I find talking comes quite easily with CAS as it relaxes me.

I have never EVER been kicked out of a club or even been given a warning while wearing CAS.  The management immediately assumes I am correct and a woman may have taken offense , wrongly, to something I may have done or said.

On the other hand I have been kicked out of bars with Ensnare and IMPI.

I love CAS but it doesn't trump L2k 2014/2018 nor M3X 2017 which made getting hotties a breeze.  Both had disinhibition which CAS doesn't seem to have.

In todays world there's UR.  I get a lot of talk with UR but I have never even gotten a number or date on it. This is why I stopped using it.  With the above 3 mones CAS, L2k, and M3X I have had lots of success.

They all seem to have something in common -- social sexuals, social proof,  and verbal fluency.  L2k and M3X also had a disinhibiting effect. 

I don't feel the pheromones world has made a product that surpasses L2k 2014 nor M3X 2017.

It is ridiculous given how far A.I. has come in recent years.  It's everywhere and more and more money put into it.

Yet we have regressed in the pheromones world from days of peak development.

I think the disinhibition in L2K v.1 is mostly coming from beta-androstAnol. It's available as a single from pxs, you could try adding it to CAS and see if it does the trick.

An interesting quote from the pheros.net forum: "If a-nol disinhibts speaking mechanisms, and b-nol disinhibits secret-telling, deep conversation mechanisms, b-stanol apparently disinhibits behaviour."