Not Pheromones related.... but just wondering any guy/younging here have big success with dating apps.
I kinda dont hit much myself lol.
Tips and tricks for hinge or even profile pics
Those apps are designed to make you stay there lol. Get a professional photoshoot, or better yet one that specializes in shoots for dating apps, put a bio that conveys an interesting lifestyle (or high value), get some boosts that boost your profile. Learn text game.
Even PUA courses that specialize in Tinder will still tell you to spend money for the most part.
Make a fake Girl profile and then steal all the best pick up lines you get.
Quote from: TracerX on Jun 09, 2024, 12:41 PMThose apps are designed to make you stay there lol.
They are designed to extract money from men, PERIOD! Between bots, fake profiles and 80-90% of wahmen wanting only to date the hyper good looking Chad or Tyrone until they themselves "hit the wall," then they change their tune as they're older and yesterday's news. That's when they scramble to find a warm body with plenty of resources to suck dry.
Dating apps are like today's medical science - when has any recent medical advance
actually cured a disease? Dating apps are only in business for one reason, to make money. The vast majority of money they make is from MEN.
I'm considering an experiment since I hadn't dated serious in a long, long time, but I'm not counting on anything. In fact, I'll bet anyone for the fact I fall into more of the "average" or below average in the looks department that I'll discover every bot, scammer and fatty on the app!
Dating apps? I wouldn't go there. When 99% of guys run that way, run the other way. Be the guy who stands out and does things differently. Don't be cookie-cutter anything.
Personally, I'd go the in-person route of meeting people, either cold approach or warm approach or cold approach whilst demonstrating pre-selection.
If you don't have a girl to demonstrate pre-selection, DP can be your best friend ;)
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 09, 2024, 07:09 PMPersonally, I'd go the in-person route of meeting people, either cold approach or warm approach or cold approach whilst demonstrating pre-selection.
The problem with that is, unless you're a good looking guy, you're automatically classified by a woman as a creep. I've absolutely had given up on cold approaching, especially since I have a cosmetic issue which women would likely be turned off by. If you have good looks cold approach may work well, otherwise guys like me are considered the 80-90 percent that the vast majority of women won't consider unless you lead with money. I'm no Chad so with the values the vast majority of today's women have it's not a positive experience, especially for the average guy.
No thanks, I'd rather be happy with my money, my friends and my almost new home.
Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jun 09, 2024, 07:39 PMQuote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 09, 2024, 07:09 PMPersonally, I'd go the in-person route of meeting people, either cold approach or warm approach or cold approach whilst demonstrating pre-selection.
The problem with that is, unless you're a good looking guy, you're automatically classified by a woman as a creep. I've absolutely had given up on cold approaching, especially since I have a cosmetic issue which women would likely be turned off by. If you have good looks cold approach may work well, otherwise guys like me are considered the 80-90 percent that the vast majority of women won't consider unless you lead with money. I'm no Chad so with the values the vast majority of today's women have it's not a positive experience, especially for the average guy.
No thanks, I'd rather be happy with my money, my friends and my almost new home.
I'm 50 years old, 5'7", bald with a couple of big scars around the back of my head. Usually wear multifocal glasses too. Hairy body. I'm thin, slightly muscular and in-shape for my age. I'd still go the cold/warm approach route over dating apps even with my visual "deficiencies". At least I can demonstrate to a woman my charisma and personality in-person, something I am unable to do on a dating app, where visual game rules, no chance of demonstrating personality right away on a dating app, not unless an HB3-5 swipes me, but I'd probably just reject the HB3-5 online.
My preference is warm approach, either social circle or clear IOIs, or cold approach with pre-selection using my girlfriend.
In order to stand out, you have to go where most men won't dare go.
Hinge is only good with a new profile. Bumble, you have to change your profile prompts and pictures frequently. Coffe meets bagel is FOB Asian girls. Honestly, you aren't going to meet the love of your life through an app. If you go on 20+ dates, the high quality girl you think your going on a date with has gone on more. Be cocky/funny/ sexual early on. Every guy on a dating app is treating a high quality girl or even an average girl like she is on a pedestal. Act like the prize, have high quality pics, be sexual early on, and you will have more success. As far as pics, some recommend shirtless walking a dog. I prefer more masculine pics on things women can't take over in my life like shooting and golfing. But treat it as fun, don't take it personal. 100 other girls to match with. Dating apps put pussy as the hierarchy and fat girls think they can date up on a guy. So don't take it to personal.
Another tip, get them off the app as quickly as possible and set up the date quickly. You aren't the only guy she is talking to. Be different, and be the prize.
My two cents after ending a long term relationship and dating on apps the last two years.
Mones with success for lays off of apps on first date: Sob + evolve, Bw + xist, M3X + SOB
Dating after sex: SOB + Evolve
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 09, 2024, 08:42 PMI'm 50 years old, 5'7", bald with a couple of big scars around the back of my head. Usually wear multifocal glasses too. Hairy body. I'm thin, slightly muscular and in-shape for my age. I'd still go the cold/warm approach route over dating apps even with my visual "deficiencies". At least I can demonstrate to a woman my charisma and personality in-person, something I am unable to do on a dating app, where visual game rules, no chance of demonstrating personality right away on a dating app, not unless an HB3-5 swipes me, but I'd probably just reject the HB3-5 online.
Similar to you, but a couple of inches shorter (with a shattered self esteem where I use height increasing footwear), bald and the deficiency is related to eye muscle problems. Since the vast majority of women are going to judge by what they see I have little chance with cold approach. While the rest of my life (job, home ownership, etc.) would elevate me compared to many but having been solo for so long I'm not going to date cesspool-level women (had my share of rescuing overweight women).
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 09, 2024, 08:42 PMMy preference is warm approach, either social circle or clear IOIs, or cold approach with pre-selection using my girlfriend.
I don't have a female friend whom I could use as a wing girl, and all the empty promises from friends saying they'd fix me up with so-and-so have gone unfulfilled.
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 09, 2024, 08:42 PMIn order to stand out, you have to go where most men won't dare go.
Unfortunately, I've been shot down more than any air force veteran.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMHonestly, you aren't going to meet the love of your life through an app. If you go on 20+ dates, the high quality girl you think your going on a date with has gone on more.
No secrets there, but I was hoping if I met at least one woman I'd be able to network through her friends. BTW: Lots of great vids on YouTube which demonstrate that the apps are stacked against guys unless you a Chad or Tyrone.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMBe cocky/funny/ sexual early on. Every guy on a dating app is treating a high quality girl or even an average girl like she is on a pedestal. Act like the prize, have high quality pics, be sexual early on, and you will have more success. As far as pics, some recommend shirtless walking a dog. I prefer more masculine pics on things women can't take over in my life like shooting and golfing. But treat it as fun, don't take it personal. 100 other girls to match with. Dating apps put pussy as the hierarchy and fat girls think they can date up on a guy. So don't take it to personal.
I heard firearms are a turnoff for many women but the golf or other recreational sports sound good. Again, 90% of women think they can date the top 5-10% of guys, especially after Chad can roll in the hay with a 5 or 6 since they're an easy mark - then they think that's all they deserve! Such entitled thinking.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMAnother tip, get them off the app as quickly as possible and set up the date quickly. You aren't the only guy she is talking to. Be different, and be the prize.
Likely best to get a burner phone or use a service like TextNow unless you're an expert in spotting bots or scammers - which is much more common for the non-Chad looking dude.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMMy two cents after ending a long term relationship and dating on apps the last two years.
Mones with success for lays off of apps on first date: Sob + evolve, Bw + xist, M3X + SOB
Dating after sex: SOB + Evolve
Interesting points and on the mones - can you share dose and app points where you've had success?
Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jun 11, 2024, 05:44 PMQuote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 09, 2024, 08:42 PMI'm 50 years old, 5'7", bald with a couple of big scars around the back of my head. Usually wear multifocal glasses too. Hairy body. I'm thin, slightly muscular and in-shape for my age. I'd still go the cold/warm approach route over dating apps even with my visual "deficiencies". At least I can demonstrate to a woman my charisma and personality in-person, something I am unable to do on a dating app, where visual game rules, no chance of demonstrating personality right away on a dating app, not unless an HB3-5 swipes me, but I'd probably just reject the HB3-5 online.
Similar to you, but a couple of inches shorter (with a shattered self esteem where I use height increasing footwear), bald and the deficiency is related to eye muscle problems. Since the vast majority of women are going to judge by what they see I have little chance with cold approach. While the rest of my life (job, home ownership, etc.) would elevate me compared to many but having been solo for so long I'm not going to date cesspool-level women (had my share of rescuing overweight women).
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 09, 2024, 08:42 PMMy preference is warm approach, either social circle or clear IOIs, or cold approach with pre-selection using my girlfriend.
I don't have a female friend whom I could use as a wing girl, and all the empty promises from friends saying they'd fix me up with so-and-so have gone unfulfilled.
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 09, 2024, 08:42 PMIn order to stand out, you have to go where most men won't dare go.
Unfortunately, I've been shot down more than any air force veteran.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMHonestly, you aren't going to meet the love of your life through an app. If you go on 20+ dates, the high quality girl you think your going on a date with has gone on more.
No secrets there, but I was hoping if I met at least one woman I'd be able to network through her friends. BTW: Lots of great vids on YouTube which demonstrate that the apps are stacked against guys unless you a Chad or Tyrone.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMBe cocky/funny/ sexual early on. Every guy on a dating app is treating a high quality girl or even an average girl like she is on a pedestal. Act like the prize, have high quality pics, be sexual early on, and you will have more success. As far as pics, some recommend shirtless walking a dog. I prefer more masculine pics on things women can't take over in my life like shooting and golfing. But treat it as fun, don't take it personal. 100 other girls to match with. Dating apps put pussy as the hierarchy and fat girls think they can date up on a guy. So don't take it to personal.
I heard firearms are a turnoff for many women but the golf or other recreational sports sound good. Again, 90% of women think they can date the top 5-10% of guys, especially after Chad can roll in the hay with a 5 or 6 since they're an easy mark - then they think that's all they deserve! Such entitled thinking.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMAnother tip, get them off the app as quickly as possible and set up the date quickly. You aren't the only guy she is talking to. Be different, and be the prize.
Likely best to get a burner phone or use a service like TextNow unless you're an expert in spotting bots or scammers - which is much more common for the non-Chad looking dude.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMMy two cents after ending a long term relationship and dating on apps the last two years.
Mones with success for lays off of apps on first date: Sob + evolve, Bw + xist, M3X + SOB
Dating after sex: SOB + Evolve
Interesting points and on the mones - can you share dose and app points where you've had success?
Are you happy staying in this mental state you're in?
I used to be like that a while back, then I thought as I got older "screw it, who cares what people think. You only live once and have a limited amounts of breaths left in you.".
Quote from: SigmaWolf on Jun 09, 2024, 10:31 AMNot Pheromones related.... but just wondering any guy/younging here have big success with dating apps.
I kinda dont hit much myself lol.
Tips and tricks for hinge or even profile pics
Umm.... Go Outside😑
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 12, 2024, 07:35 AMAre you happy staying in this mental state you're in?
I used to be like that a while back, then I thought as I got older "screw it, who cares what people think. You only live once and have a limited amounts of breaths left in you.".
You know what the definition of insanity is, right? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Well, I took an almost two-decade break from trying to date because every woman would disappoint with one of these common things: ghosting before a date, ghosting after the first date or having been labeled "creepy" by them. I've had zip for luck in cold approach and only a bit better with the apps, so how long to do keep banging your head against the wall and not expecting a headache? Hey, I started to dabble with mones with the hopes it may help me slide into a woman's good graces that might help me. So far, marginal luck at best.
I know I have friends who understand my
screw it, who cares what people think attitude, as they've heard all the stories from the post-date debrief. I figure I'll try the apps as it's relatively low investment while maintaining things that are better use of time like friends and my major home construction and remodeling project.
Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jun 09, 2024, 07:39 PMThe problem with that is, unless you're a good looking guy, you're automatically classified by a woman as a creep.
Johnny is droping some truth pills here. I will go even further with this theory and say even if you are the Gigachad himself jumping out from nowhere cold cold approacing woman it will make you look pathetic. Sure she will trhow few IOI's given her ego its hugely boosted by some model approaching her but subconciesly red lapms are lighting in her brain saying wtf he is approaching me like that must be a loser and even if you get to fuck her, she will never respect you as a man.
I awlays knew this, thou I practiced cold approaches here and there, but now reading some books confirming my deep knowledge I will nevere cold app again. Like what is the point? Most of you know that if a woman likes you she will go out of her way to let you know. They will literally say hello by rubbing their tits on you ... or bend their asses in your face... Well some say muh I pick the girl I like and muh I don't depend on social circles but ok.
Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jun 11, 2024, 05:44 PMbald and the deficiency is related to eye muscle problems.
PP. Johnny, sorry for offtopic and my poor English but did you say your balding is related to eye muscle problems?
I'm researching balding topic at the moment as I have few bald male relatives. My hair is not bad yet but looking for knowledge on prevention. Thanks! You could pm me on this if you find it more appropriate.
Quote from: Tzar on Jun 14, 2024, 03:20 AMQuote from: Johnny Fever on Jun 09, 2024, 07:39 PMThe problem with that is, unless you're a good looking guy, you're automatically classified by a woman as a creep.
Johnny is droping some truth pills here. I will go even further with this theory and say even if you are the Gigachad himself jumping out from nowhere cold cold approacing woman it will make you look pathetic. Sure she will trhow few IOI's given her ego its hugely boosted by some model approaching her but subconciesly red lapms are lighting in her brain saying wtf he is approaching me like that must be a loser and even if you get to fuck her, she will never respect you as a man.
I awlays knew this, thou I practiced cold approaches here and there, but now reading some books confirming my deep knowledge I will nevere cold app again. Like what is the point? Most of you know that if a woman likes you she will go out of her way to let you know. They will literally say hello by rubbing their tits on you ... or bend their asses in your face... Well some say muh I pick the girl I like and muh I don't depend on social circles but ok.
100% agree with you there Tzar. It's all about social proof and preselection. As a man you need to show this to attract ladies, otherwise you're deemed as a loser creep, stalker or whatever else they think. Lone wolves are infamous for these labels. Why on Earth would a man ever give up his power or lower his SMV when the whole aim of the game is to show your SMV is higher than hers?
I think I get what you are saying, only need to ask you about this :
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 14, 2024, 04:06 AMLone wolves are infamous for these labels.
Would that mean if you are lone wolf naturally you are deemed to be seen as creep/loser or only if you are the lone wolf who is saying pickup lines to girls?
Cause there is contradiction. From one hand being distant and aloof can turn the girls on, and from another they could see you as socially crippled.
I want to ask you something more cause you sound very experienced with girls and socially overall unlike me.
So preselection is very legit and Ive seen the results from it after I have scored a new girl.
But how to start from the beginning if you have not get laid from awhile?
Just using DP ? Man, I have almost full tester of it and that stuff stinks pussy very hard. I'm afraid it will come very exagerated unnaturall even for a man who just had an orgy with 10 girls. Any other tips? I guess getting laid with girls well bellow your looks is not an option too. :-X
Quote from: Tzar on Jun 14, 2024, 03:20 AMPP. Johnny, sorry for offtopic and my poor English but did you say your balding is related to eye muscle problems?
No, not related, but I was just illustrating the shortcomings I'm up against with today's dating climate. Two separate issues that, when paired together, make it much harder to overcome.
Quote from: Stride on Jun 10, 2024, 07:01 PMHinge is only good with a new profile. Bumble, you have to change your profile prompts and pictures frequently. Coffe meets bagel is FOB Asian girls. Honestly, you aren't going to meet the love of your life through an app. If you go on 20+ dates, the high quality girl you think your going on a date with has gone on more. Be cocky/funny/ sexual early on. Every guy on a dating app is treating a high quality girl or even an average girl like she is on a pedestal. Act like the prize, have high quality pics, be sexual early on, and you will have more success. As far as pics, some recommend shirtless walking a dog. I prefer more masculine pics on things women can't take over in my life like shooting and golfing. But treat it as fun, don't take it personal. 100 other girls to match with. Dating apps put pussy as the hierarchy and fat girls think they can date up on a guy. So don't take it to personal.
Another tip, get them off the app as quickly as possible and set up the date quickly. You aren't the only guy she is talking to. Be different, and be the prize.
My two cents after ending a long term relationship and dating on apps the last two years.
Mones with success for lays off of apps on first date: Sob + evolve, Bw + xist, M3X + SOB
Dating after sex: SOB + Evolve
I thought dating app has this eloscore thing where your profile ranking is analaysed by the algorithm as well as the girls respondness to your profile to determine how high rank your profile is , the higher means you will get shown to more woman...
With Hinge, you mention it's only good for new accs, is it because your eloscore drops after that.
For bumble , why constant change profile. Mind elaborate a bit thanks ;)
Quote from: Tzar on Jun 14, 2024, 04:36 AMI think I get what you are saying, only need to ask you about this :
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 14, 2024, 04:06 AMLone wolves are infamous for these labels.
Would that mean if you are lone wolf naturally you are deemed to be seen as creep/loser or only if you are the lone wolf who is saying pickup lines to girls?
Cause there is contradiction. From one hand being distant and aloof can turn the girls on, and from another they could see you as socially crippled.
I want to ask you something more cause you sound very experienced with girls and socially overall unlike me.
So preselection is very legit and Ive seen the results from it after I have scored a new girl.
But how to start from the beginning if you have not get laid from awhile?
Just using DP ? Man, I have almost full tester of it and that stuff stinks pussy very hard. I'm afraid it will come very exagerated unnaturall even for a man who just had an orgy with 10 girls. Any other tips? I guess getting laid with girls well bellow your looks is not an option too. :-X
Yes if you're on your own in places and times as a man when you shouldn't be e.g. bars, parties etc you will come off as a socially awkward creep. That's all I mean. Obviously if you're out shopping or at the gym, this wouldn't apply.
As a man it is up to you to initiate at the start, not act aloof. When you start dating is when the aloofness will play into your favour. You need to be a man of mystery and not reveal a lot about yourself to a woman very quickly. Once the novel has been read it's finished. Women view men like a novel to be read, once the book is finished, boredom sets in and they dont want you anymore.
How to start from the beginning. There is a good video I saw recently about this. But you must have a proper social group or group of friends, preferably with women, but if not, watch this video for a good idea. He sums it up extremely well IMO:
https://youtu.be/vGXgTWo5e10?si=3BeGTckUJHgy_xo6
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 14, 2024, 07:34 PMhttps://youtu.be/vGXgTWo5e10?si=3BeGTckUJHgy_xo6 (https://youtu.be/vGXgTWo5e10?si=3BeGTckUJHgy_xo6)
Thanks for the video, I actually came across this guy by the time that video came up. Sure this is most sensible pua/dating coach I know so far but I'm still very sceptical.
Because he is driving a Ferrari, and I think he said it was parked in front of the cafe of that particular video.
And then he literally says : guys look girls trhow themselfs at me because I sit chilled in the cafe minding my own bussiness and not staring thursty, while I'm wearing 100$ watch, $20 t-shirt and a cowboy cap... C'mon
I've seen it IRL many times. If a Ferrari is parked in front, the very second woman steps in, she knows to whom it belongs.. It's biology.
Also he mention often in his videos that he is open with girls about his dating coaching. So that instantly gives him a leader aura. If me and you say to girl we watch pua videos, it's over. But he can say it cause he is the teacher/guru. Tens of thousands if not hundeds are watching his videos and give him money. That's it.
And yet he has the cheek to name videos like ''woman are attracted to proper front-end game'' LMAO
Ok, enough of me blackpill ranting ;D
Quote from: Tzar on Jun 15, 2024, 09:47 AMQuote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 14, 2024, 07:34 PMhttps://youtu.be/vGXgTWo5e10?si=3BeGTckUJHgy_xo6 (https://youtu.be/vGXgTWo5e10?si=3BeGTckUJHgy_xo6)
Thanks for the video, I actually came across this guy by the time that video came up. Sure this is most sensible pua/dating coach I know so far but I'm still very sceptical.
Because he is driving a Ferrari, and I think he said it was parked in front of the cafe of that particular video.
And then he literally says : guys look girls trhow themselfs at me because I sit chilled in the cafe minding my own bussiness and not staring thursty, while I'm wearing 100$ watch, $20 t-shirt and a cowboy cap... C'mon
I've seen it IRL many times. If a Ferrari is parked in front, the very second woman steps in, she knows to whom it belongs.. It's biology.
Also he mention often in his videos that he is open with girls about his dating coaching. So that instantly gives him a leader aura. If me and you say to girl we watch pua videos, it's over. But he can say it cause he is the teacher/guru. Tens of thousands if not hundeds are watching his videos and give him money. That's it.
And yet he has the cheek to name videos like ''woman are attracted to proper front-end game'' LMAO
Ok, enough of me blackpill ranting ;D
Yes, he actually suggests men work on themselves physically and financially though. But he says at the end of the day that your looks, money and status is not what really attracts and keeps the girls around. I'm still sceptical, but whatever.
Let me show you a post I personally left in his community about what I heard two girls talk about today. This is my post, I wrote it into his group discussion:
https://ibb.co/rtxHwxq
So yes when I listen to how women speak about men when nobody they know is around them and they are in private what they say ACTUALLY DOES match up to black pill/ red bill philosophy. So there is a lot of truth the the red/black pill beliefs IMO.
Ye, no doubt we have to work on ourself in every aspect.
What I wanted to say is that he has succes with girls because he has made it in life, has lot of friends, being millionaire, not handsome but masculine looking, not so tall but not short either, he appears to be 1.80 at least on camera. Half a million man following him - guru.
All this allow him to laid back and appear preselected. But if you are neither of above list, just sitting there not thursty, not much will happen with women...
And yes that is showing conversation. Basically what women do from age of 4 is discussing men. Literally it is all they talk about. But we must not get cynical about their shallowness. It's a biology fact that we have to deal with.
Another wealthy influencer trying to convince men that women's choices in men have nothing to do with biological choices and they can be "mind hacked".
Wait for the ending to hear what he says about men on dating apps and you'll realise that unless your an ultra good looking man, forget playing that dating app game.
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 16, 2024, 04:12 AMWait for the ending to hear what he says about men on dating apps and you'll realise that unless you're an ultra good looking man, forget playing that dating app game.
That's the only, realistic takeaway from the whole thing (I'm not a fan of Cooper). The only reason I've considered it is to get a few friends off my back about "getting out and trying" without having to go through an entire diatribe about when I try to approach women and get shot down in a variety of ways. Of course, some of these people keep saying they'd set me up with friends, but it never ever happens.
If you venture down the rabbit hole of dating apps it's best to strictly view it as entertainment. I've heard of people meeting on them, but the success stories are few in comparison to meeting somebody organically.
Here is yet another take on the dating apps and social media thing and how it has made life MUCH MORE difficult for the average man today. This was sent to me by a guy I know who is involved in this conversation. He is James E Stubbs:
Part 1: https://ibb.co/bPRsv2L
Part 2: https://ibb.co/QkjdThh
Yes the dating app statistics have been reflecting this trend throughout. It is "hypergamy" at play. Women will seek out what they perceive as high value men from their perspectivr (or bad boys, lets call them chad and tyrone) and most men generally seek out variety when they can get it.
As a rule women seek out men higher than them on the social status ladder and value scale. So a very good looking man or very successful man is the 20% they're seeking out..they effectively ignore every average man until their beauty fades.
Therefore you have apps facilitating a best of both worlds scenario.
Hey look, things weren't all that different before, before it was women going out clubbing or to bars to hook up with the same men. Why go through the hassle of that now you can use an app?
The only issue is that women are at their prime till they hit the late 20s and then they're quickly past that once they hit the magic 30.
The trouble is that they've been spoilt by all the attention they received and think they're all 10 out of 10s because higher value men will sleep with average and less than average women too..even less than average looking young women are more attractive than pretty women over 30 because fertility is the true attractive force men seek out. So you have the problem that an average looking young woman can sleep with a football player and they set the bar high and don't realise they have no chance whatsoever with a high value male.
What tends to happen is when these tinderellas are riding the dick carousel from their late teens, they invariably fall for one of these men who have literally no interest in them except that every hole is a goal. You end up then with a large proportion of women who've been hurt because they've been ultimately screwed and rejected by Chad and Tyrone. Chad and Tyrone will never stick around for them. They'll either impregnate and leave them or break their hearts and the women will channel their inner misandry.
Women hold the sexual power until they hit a certain point and then from then on they'll be nothing except fuck buddies.
Most women lie about their body count. Dont be surprised if is usually well over 80 these days thanks to dating apps.
When clever tinderellas start to pass their prime, they'll settle for a regular guy because they need that meal ticket . Bring the beta nurturing guy in. Control him with basic access to sex, nothing fancy though, not all the positions or dirty action she gave to Chad or Tyrone. Further don't forget to add that she'll cheat any chance she can get and you may end up cuckolding by bringing up a child that isn't yours.
Single mums are very much there to use you. As a rule of thumb, never ever date a single mum unless her circumstances are exceptional. You should never settle for a single mum because she's settling for you and baby daddy will always take priority over you and you're only a resource, nothing more in most cases.
Obviously there's good girls out there who don't behave this way but you're more than likely to to encounter a woman who is past her prime and settling rather than a young hot woman with traditional morals and behaviour. Thank God for feminism empowering women 🙌
So, your mission if you choose to accept it is to use basic mystery method etc if you're not high status. Work on being successful and physically fit. Put the energy into bettering yourself. Don't give up, don't be disheartened. Take up the challenge , be the best version of yourself.
And keep your eyes open. How old is the woman, is she approaching 30, is she a single mum, is she neurotic as hell
( alpha widow). Don't settle for a whore (304). Vet a woman properly and don't settle easily. Look for red flags always.
Quote from: Mr_Right on Jun 18, 2024, 02:08 AMYes the dating app statistics have been reflecting this trend throughout. It is "hypergamy" at play. Women will seek out what they perceive as high value men from their perspectivr (or bad boys, lets call them chad and tyrone) and most men generally seek out variety when they can get it.
As a rule women seek out men higher than them on the social status ladder and value scale. So a very good looking man or very successful man is the 20% they're seeking out..they effectively ignore every average man until their beauty fades.
Therefore you have apps facilitating a best of both worlds scenario.
Hey look, things weren't all that different before, before it was women going out clubbing or to bars to hook up with the same men. Why go through the hassle of that now you can use an app?
The only issue is that women are at their prime till they hit the late 20s and then they're quickly past that once they hit the magic 30.
The trouble is that they've been spoilt by all the attention they received and think they're all 10 out of 10s because higher value men will sleep with average and less than average women too..even less than average looking young women are more attractive than pretty women over 30 because fertility is the true attractive force men seek out. So you have the problem that an average looking young woman can sleep with a football player and they set the bar high and don't realise they have no chance whatsoever with a high value male.
What tends to happen is when these tinderellas are riding the dick carousel from their late teens, they invariably fall for one of these men who have literally no interest in them except that every hole is a goal. You end up then with a large proportion of women who've been hurt because they've been ultimately screwed and rejected by Chad and Tyrone. Chad and Tyrone will never stick around for them. They'll either impregnate and leave them or break their hearts and the women will channel their inner misandry.
Women hold the sexual power until they hit a certain point and then from then on they'll be nothing except fuck buddies.
Most women lie about their body count. Dont be surprised if is usually well over 80 these days thanks to dating apps.
When clever tinderellas start to pass their prime, they'll settle for a regular guy because they need that meal ticket . Bring the beta nurturing guy in. Control him with basic access to sex, nothing fancy though, not all the positions or dirty action she gave to Chad or Tyrone. Further don't forget to add that she'll cheat any chance she can get and you may end up cuckolding by bringing up a child that isn't yours.
Single mums are very much there to use you. As a rule of thumb, never ever date a single mum unless her circumstances are exceptional. You should never settle for a single mum because she's settling for you and baby daddy will always take priority over you and you're only a resource, nothing more in most cases.
Obviously there's good girls out there who don't behave this way but you're more than likely to to encounter a woman who is past her prime and settling rather than a young hot woman with traditional morals and behaviour. Thank God for feminism empowering women 🙌
So, your mission if you choose to accept it is to use basic mystery method etc if you're not high status. Work on being successful and physically fit. Put the energy into bettering yourself. Don't give up, don't be disheartened. Take up the challenge , be the best version of yourself.
And keep your eyes open. How old is the woman, is she approaching 30, is she a single mum, is she neurotic as hell
( alpha widow). Don't settle for a whore (304). Vet a woman properly and don't settle easily. Look for red flags always.
Based. @Mr_Right on fire. Nothing will more summarize than above answer about current dating scenario.
I like Alex from the Playing With Fire Youtube. The guy isn't the best looking but has a lot of tips for dating apps. I'd watch the videos, I also have his old pdf book somewhere with tips.
They SOB + Evolve was two sprays each. SOB twice to neck, Evolve one spray to each elbow crevice.
Quote from: Mr_Right on Jun 18, 2024, 02:08 AMYes the dating app statistics have been reflecting this trend throughout. It is "hypergamy" at play. Women will seek out what they perceive as high value men from their perspectivr (or bad boys, lets call them chad and tyrone) and most men generally seek out variety when they can get it.
As a rule women seek out men higher than them on the social status ladder and value scale. So a very good looking man or very successful man is the 20% they're seeking out..they effectively ignore every average man until their beauty fades.
Therefore you have apps facilitating a best of both worlds scenario.
Hey look, things weren't all that different before, before it was women going out clubbing or to bars to hook up with the same men. Why go through the hassle of that now you can use an app?
The only issue is that women are at their prime till they hit the late 20s and then they're quickly past that once they hit the magic 30.
The trouble is that they've been spoilt by all the attention they received and think they're all 10 out of 10s because higher value men will sleep with average and less than average women too..even less than average looking young women are more attractive than pretty women over 30 because fertility is the true attractive force men seek out. So you have the problem that an average looking young woman can sleep with a football player and they set the bar high and don't realise they have no chance whatsoever with a high value male.
What tends to happen is when these tinderellas are riding the dick carousel from their late teens, they invariably fall for one of these men who have literally no interest in them except that every hole is a goal. You end up then with a large proportion of women who've been hurt because they've been ultimately screwed and rejected by Chad and Tyrone. Chad and Tyrone will never stick around for them. They'll either impregnate and leave them or break their hearts and the women will channel their inner misandry.
Women hold the sexual power until they hit a certain point and then from then on they'll be nothing except fuck buddies.
Most women lie about their body count. Dont be surprised if is usually well over 80 these days thanks to dating apps.
When clever tinderellas start to pass their prime, they'll settle for a regular guy because they need that meal ticket . Bring the beta nurturing guy in. Control him with basic access to sex, nothing fancy though, not all the positions or dirty action she gave to Chad or Tyrone. Further don't forget to add that she'll cheat any chance she can get and you may end up cuckolding by bringing up a child that isn't yours.
Single mums are very much there to use you. As a rule of thumb, never ever date a single mum unless her circumstances are exceptional. You should never settle for a single mum because she's settling for you and baby daddy will always take priority over you and you're only a resource, nothing more in most cases.
Obviously there's good girls out there who don't behave this way but you're more than likely to to encounter a woman who is past her prime and settling rather than a young hot woman with traditional morals and behaviour. Thank God for feminism empowering women 🙌
So, your mission if you choose to accept it is to use basic mystery method etc if you're not high status. Work on being successful and physically fit. Put the energy into bettering yourself. Don't give up, don't be disheartened. Take up the challenge , be the best version of yourself.
And keep your eyes open. How old is the woman, is she approaching 30, is she a single mum, is she neurotic as hell
( alpha widow). Don't settle for a whore (304). Vet a woman properly and don't settle easily. Look for red flags always.
Thank you for this Mr_right (are you the right_mr guy on old PT with pic of a mirror shirtless selfie)
That's the ultimate reality check here. Myself an average man when I dress up with mones I am at 6-7 at my best (I am a bit overweight for my height not obese), lucky would be 7.2. I have no problem with average woman who isn't player typically uni students.
The really good looking ones typically won't like me (HB7-10) unless I have mones on like Voodoo, DP, Alpha Q whatever or dress up to best with good minded IN REAL LIFE lol....
Asian girl I like (high quality HB8-10) like Asian guy like Kevin Nguyen or Asian baby boy (fit, sharp look, bad boy , tattoo type )
Sigh
I am saying all these because I got matched with a legitimate hot Hb 6-7 girl from philiphines who is my type and I notice I am not the only one who she talk to. Girl with choices definitely won't talk to you alone on dating app. Only way to win her over is either being rich, fulfill her fantasy for her to marry someone overseas or May be mones lol
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 17, 2024, 05:35 PMHere is yet another take on the dating apps and social media thing and how it has made life MUCH MORE difficult for the average man today. This was sent to me by a guy I know who is involved in this conversation. He is James E Stubbs:
Part 1: https://ibb.co/bPRsv2L
Part 2: https://ibb.co/QkjdThh
That's true . Usually average looking girls who are introvert or in uni don't get approached hahaha
Quote from: Johnny Fever on Jun 16, 2024, 05:51 AMQuote from: Mr Highvalue on Jun 16, 2024, 04:12 AMWait for the ending to hear what he says about men on dating apps and you'll realise that unless you're an ultra good looking man, forget playing that dating app game.
That's the only, realistic takeaway from the whole thing (I'm not a fan of Cooper). The only reason I've considered it is to get a few friends off my back about "getting out and trying" without having to go through an entire diatribe about when I try to approach women and get shot down in a variety of ways. Of course, some of these people keep saying they'd set me up with friends, but it never ever happens.
If you venture down the rabbit hole of dating apps it's best to strictly view it as entertainment. I've heard of people meeting on them, but the success stories are few in comparison to meeting somebody organically.
By the way Johnny, I am genuinely curious are you the guy in the profile picture.... I think I saw it somewhere before as in familiarity....
Quote from: SigmaWolf on Jun 20, 2024, 10:13 AMBy the way Johnny, I am genuinely curious are you the guy in the profile picture.... I think I saw it somewhere before as in familiarity....
I assume you mean my profile avatar picture. The picture is of the actor Howard Hesseman, who portrayed the character of Dr. Johnny Fever on the television series WKRP in Cincinnati.
Hey SigmaWolf
Yes I'm that old guy from he original PT.
The key is not to be disheartened by the dating market but channel the energy to level up
Quote from: Mr_Right on Jun 23, 2024, 04:51 PMHey SigmaWolf
Yes I'm that old guy from he original PT.
The key is not to be disheartened by the dating market but channel the energy to level up
Nice.Good to see legend Veteran still around ;D
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I've had a rethink about online and my conclusions are to use a instagram strategy and stay away from dating apps. But make sure your instagram shows you as a high status man with lots of friends and preselection plus living an active lifestyle.
Market yourself as an alpha online with instagram, don't be a beggar on dating apps.
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Sep 15, 2024, 02:01 AMI've had a rethink about online and my conclusions are to use a instagram strategy and stay away from dating apps. But make sure your instagram shows you as a high status man with lots of friends and preselection plus living an active lifestyle.
Market yourself as an alpha online with instagram, don't be a beggar on dating apps.
This is a tip a lot of people can benefit from. Care to elaborate eg. post pictures of a bike or car but make them professional and delete old pics that are crappy for example?
Quote from: KingTaco on Sep 16, 2024, 09:58 AMQuote from: Mr Highvalue on Sep 15, 2024, 02:01 AMI've had a rethink about online and my conclusions are to use a instagram strategy and stay away from dating apps. But make sure your instagram shows you as a high status man with lots of friends and preselection plus living an active lifestyle.
Market yourself as an alpha online with instagram, don't be a beggar on dating apps.
This is a tip a lot of people can benefit from. Care to elaborate eg. post pictures of a bike or car but make them professional and delete old pics that are crappy for example?
Show yourself with friends of preferably both sexes, outdoors in nature, at home, dressed in a variety of things including smart attire, and show yourself with an abundance of scarce resources I.e. access to good looking women.
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Sep 17, 2024, 02:29 AMQuote from: KingTaco on Sep 16, 2024, 09:58 AMQuote from: Mr Highvalue on Sep 15, 2024, 02:01 AMI've had a rethink about online and my conclusions are to use a instagram strategy and stay away from dating apps. But make sure your instagram shows you as a high status man with lots of friends and preselection plus living an active lifestyle.
Market yourself as an alpha online with instagram, don't be a beggar on dating apps.
This is a tip a lot of people can benefit from. Care to elaborate eg. post pictures of a bike or car but make them professional and delete old pics that are crappy for example?
Show yourself with friends of preferably both sexes, outdoors in nature, at home, dressed in a variety of things including smart attire, and show yourself with an abundance of scarce resources I.e. access to good looking women.
Fake it till you make it. Definetly truth in that.
Quote from: KingTaco on Sep 17, 2024, 03:25 AMQuote from: Mr Highvalue on Sep 17, 2024, 02:29 AMShow yourself with friends of preferably both sexes, outdoors in nature, at home, dressed in a variety of things including smart attire, and show yourself with an abundance of scarce resources I.e. access to good looking women.
Fake it till you make it. Definetly truth in that.
That's referred to as "social proof"
Recently one of my friends was struggling a bit with online dating. He's an decent dude 33 years of age. He asked me for some help on one specific dating app which I won't mention the name of. I've created a bot that would send DMs to girls automatically. No weird pickup lines, just rather a friendly opening.
It ran for some hours (not too fast to avoid getting shadow banned). We've sent out 8964 DMs.
Now out of this he only got 873 views, which is less than 10%. Out of this he matched with 123.
Matched and out of those 123 actually 20 replied.
The parameters were girls between 23-30 and who are physically active (to get him, "quality girls")
Out of those 123, 50% were like 6/10 girls. The remaining 50% consisted out of 7,8 /10 no more
Out of those that replied to the bro only 9 were hot and out of those 9 only 3 were chill, fun and without any red flags/things you won't want.
I think this is a valuable lesson to ask when going to online dating apps. Are you ready to send 9000 DMs to find 3 nice girls, that's 3000 Dms per girl lol
The biggest problem though is that his profile was seen only by 1/9 of the girls.
And we made a good bio, with decent photos all conveying value. Most apps don't allow you to send DMs without paying or matching first.
If you're gonna want success online, be prepared to spend money.
Tracer, can you share what app that was? Usually, you need to match to be able to send a message so I'm suspecting it's not any of the ones that Match Group owns, which is practically all the popular ones.
Seems that you have to spend a lot of money, and time of course, if you want success with anything in life these days.
No success comes easy or free.
This just tells me to avoid online dating like the plague.
Already in two days out I've had to face to face conversations with two HB8's.
Online I'd be lucky to get a match to my profile. Meeting up to talk is yet another thing.
Too much competition online and I don't stay out late enough these days to go to bars/nightclubs.
Out and about is the best way to meet women for busy men 40+ with demanding careers and family obligations.
The problem is that dating today is a cesspool, with women only wanting the top 5% of guys and the others, if they get picked, only for the resources that can be extracted from them (i.e., free meals, gifts, attention, etc.). If you're a winner in the genetic lottery you'll have little trouble meeting women, face to face or otherwise. If you're like me and haven't been blessed with looks and height it can be a struggle.
Personally, I prefer online dating as the money I may spend on the apps isn't wasted on face-to-face meetups from those who only want the free meals and the like and have no intention on even wanting to get to know the person at all. I've been fortunate and have never been catfished, but I suppose it can happen to anyone.
FYI: I'm avoiding the apps until mid-February, as this time is known as "cuffing season" where women will pick up a guy with the soul intent on getting the to gift them things and take them out to dinner. A colleague went through that and warned me, so it's never been an issue for me.
Quote from: Dsouza on Oct 19, 2024, 02:36 AMOut and about is the best way to meet women for busy men 40+ with demanding careers and family obligations.
That's the only way I do it these days as well.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 19, 2024, 11:34 AMI recognize the pattern mostly immediately. Sometimes I play around a bit. Start to say things like: I really enjoy anal sex, I like it when my partner dress up as a furry animal or I am dreaming of a blow job in the cinema's. They agree anyhow, that's in their script.
That's hilarious! If it happens again try some obscure subject like bloodletting - it would be interesting to see how AI takes on that.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 19, 2024, 11:34 AMWhen they start talking crypto, I like to say that I had crypto, but switched to gold, because it's much more profitable these days. Actually that is true, so I give the numbers and they are confused. So, now their scam turns into my game.
Never had that happen, but that doesn't say 100% I've had a catfish. Your previous description of the bait profile sounds like half of them on these apps today.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 19, 2024, 11:34 AMDon't give your phone number, though. They sell it to other scammers.
That's why God created burner phone apps.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 26, 2024, 07:08 AMI mostly get legit likes. Almost every day wome are waiting for me, if I like them back. Though sometimes there's one of those catfishers. Mostly they disconnect (unmatch me), when I told them gold is much more profitable or when I say that someone else tried to make me invest in bitcoin.
Sadly, I suppose I fall into the "face for radio" camp (which is one of the reasons for my chosen avatar and name, though the actor who played Johnny Fever is pretty decently looking by comparison). The sole match I had in recent days had a pre-teen child and I have no desire to date a single mom, so I passed on that match.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 26, 2024, 07:08 AMFor me they are more of a toy them a threat. I mean, it's so obvious: pictures of young beautiful woman, who agrees with the weirdest thing I say, that's suspicious.
Seems that even so-called "legit" profiles have a liberal use of photo filters by women. I tend to pass on those folks, too, as if they can't be genuine on their appearance what's to say they won't be truthful in other areas?
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 26, 2024, 07:08 AMI also 'smell' the women who are looking for a sugar daddy. I will buy someone a drink, but I'm not into paying all her bills. I just ask straight up (without any judgement) if they're looking for a SD, which they mostly admit.
(Sometimes a genuine young woman comes by, who's looking for an older man. I did have some dates with women half my age. But that's rare. Only a few a year.)
Never had a SD seeker and rarely come across any younger women.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 26, 2024, 07:08 AMI don't know burner apps, but it sounds like something to look into. Thanks for the tip.
I heard of and use TextNow, but I'm sure there's plenty of other apps out there, too.
Something else to keep in mind, I have a second phone, actually teh iPhone 6s I replaced with my current model, that I use for the dating apps. These dating apps sniff out things like your contacts and more, so having a fully reset phone with nothing on it - no contacts and only the pix I use for profiles, isolates what ill gotten gains the apps can make off with.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 27, 2024, 06:08 AMI don't mind about photo filters that much. Or photo's that are ten years old. When I meet someone, I'll see her anyway, so I can judge myself. And when we meet, I also often add some pheromones to make me look better.
After the last meetup I'm of the mindset that if the person doesn't match the photos I'm going to get up and leave. The last one made the Goodyear blimp look like an anorexic!
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 27, 2024, 06:08 AMThe younger women are fun sometimes. I can take care of her daddy issues. Other times they are just trying out flirting or playing around. Or they have weird requests. I had one young woman (19), like half a year back, that ask me if she could peg me.
Younger women don't bother me at all. Had a thing for a former co-worker who was half my age, as she was cute, very intelligent and a very sweet person. Luckily she moved to the other side of the country and broke all contact as I could tell she really didn't want to stay in touch.
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 27, 2024, 06:08 AMGood tips for the burner app! Thanks for that. And good that you mention the safety. It seems like many dark, often invisible companies want to collect as much data about us, as possible.
The separate device makes it a pain in the ass at time, especially since I don't have email access on it either (more security reasons).
Quote from: Mr Level1 on Oct 27, 2024, 08:15 AMI think it's worth to look further then just the HB-random-number thinking and the quest for twenty-something year olds. There's so much to find in the sexual spectrum. It would be a waste to leave it all to the other guys...
Being on the south side of 50+ I don't have any interest in youngsters, I'd prefer a woman who's more mature. The 33 year old former co-worker checked all the boxes I wanted, though I wasn't on her radar at all. On the other hand, I don't want to date nursing home patients, either.
I'll give my humble take on this even though it's been 5 years since I've used any apps, maybe the situation has gotten worse since then. I'm probably somewhere around a 7 irl, not at all gigachad material. I did decent for myself on the apps but not amazing. But I was going on dates with new girls hotter and younger than I am at least two times a month, often more.
One thing I did was work really hard on my profile. Tons of photoshoots and testing out different "about me's." My friends all got sick of me cause I was asking them to take my picture all the time. Learn which side is your good side and what distance makes you look the best. The majority of guys will look better from a telephoto lens at least 8 feet away. Johnny Fever you say that women are all competing for the top 5% of men, but the truth is, online they're all competing for the top percent of profiles. If a guy is better looking and taller than me, but all his photos are poorly lit selfies, and he looks like he has no friends, then my profile is more attractive than his. Likewise, if a guys profile is equal to mine, but he can't carry on an interesting or humorous text based conversation, then I rise above him in the ranking. Girls get asked "hey how's your week going?" dozens of times a day. You have to be more interesting than the crowd if you want her to respond.
Even if you're ugly, if your photos convey an intriguing, attractive lifestyle, and you're standing tall and smiling or looking confident in them, you should be able to raise your online rating significantly. One good thing to do is run your profile past female friends and make sure your compass is pointing north. Sometimes a picture you think sucks will be by and large the favorite one. Or if anyone is feeling brave and wants to post a profile on this thread I'd be happy to critique it.
Overall I'd say the apps are a decent way to supplement your dating life, but don't rely on them as your single source of meeting women.
I joined Bumble... hope it's not a stall out zone there. The women are hot but do they reply?
Quote from: Dsouza on Nov 21, 2024, 04:15 AMI joined Bumble... hope it's not a stall out zone there. The women are hot but do they reply?
Something to keep in mind, which I may have written about before. Between Thanksgiving and Valentine's Day we're entering "Cuffing Season" where women will pick up a mate only for the intention of getting attention and presents / gifts. This is why I concluded my own experiment. I'm not interested in being used for resources with little to gain or receive in return.
Quote from: Johnny Fever on Nov 21, 2024, 08:00 PMQuote from: Dsouza on Nov 21, 2024, 04:15 AMI joined Bumble... hope it's not a stall out zone there. The women are hot but do they reply?
Something to keep in mind, which I may have written about before. Between Thanksgiving and Valentine's Day we're entering "Cuffing Season" where women will pick up a mate only for the intention of getting attention and presents / gifts. This is why I concluded my own experiment. I'm not interested in being used for resources with little to gain or receive in return.
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i've heard swinger sites are where the action is really at. haven't verified this myself, but it makes sense.
OK, I was bored yesterday and thought I'd give myself a laugh. I signed up for Bumble. There is nothing special about my profile, as I used three of the pre-canned prompts only. The photos I happen to have on the phone.
A couple of interesting observations. Using experience gleaned from some of the men's channels on YouTube, I swiped left on any profile with pronouns. I also swiped left on almost every profile with non-adult children. As a chosen test preference, I only considered profiles marked with a "conservative" or none concerning political affiliation.
Here in the Northeast USA, the selection within a reasonable driving distance was slim pickin's. Many very opinionated profiles, some appearing more selective than their own looks, can pull off. Lots of filters and plenty of butter face, too. The age range was 46 through 64.
Within the first hour, I got two matches, which I didn't believe for a moment. I think it's them trying to get a guy to part with his money for premium features. A third match occurred during the last 24 hours. I've slowly crept my distance up to 35 miles and can run out of swipes without hitting any of the alleged people who swiped right on me. I'm not driving any further to meet anyone, especially with the habit of those using filters and what have you.
As I told my friend, it's simply an experiment, as I have no intention of paying a dime for this nonsense. I figure if I actually get as far as a match that isn't a catfish, I might have a target to play with mones, otherwise
OK, a friend of mine pestered me about "getting out there" again, so I decided to try yet another app for grins and giggles: Hinge.
Mind you, I trimmed my age back by a handful of years to be in my late 50s+. Well, I couldn't believe the cesspool of people on there. I have yet to swipe right on anyone. The default had my lower age search in my mid-30s, so I moved it up to the upper 40s. I tend to have conservative views (financially, daily life, etc.), and the non-paid version doesn't let you tweak your searches, so it's all a manual ordeal. Of the two people who swiped on me, they both made Lizzo look like an anorexic. It seems like here in the Northeast US, plenty of women who looked like they ran into the wall ... and kept running into it! Another tipoff is they have heavily filtered photos of their face and never show their body. There are also a couple of other tells, but even ignoring those, it seems that the quality of the women is pretty low.
And before anyone brings up meeting women in real life, that's great. Still, I have a cosmetic issue where women would immediately judge me, so they'd usually shut down, no matter how personable I am. In the past, I've been able to at least build up enough rapport for a first meeting on typical apps ... though that's usually where it ended.
It sort of reminds me why I've been content being by myself.
What I concluded was that sites like dating.com were targeting people who are lonely who want to just chat with beauty's who respond to them immediately and chase them rather than promote a site to get laid.
And if you do leave your number or email with a woman it has to be in the form of a gift. Virtual gifts range from 50 credits to 9000 credits I believe which is like $60 CAD to $3000 CAD or more just to leave your number or email, HOPING she is REAL and not some GUY, and will contact YOU at her convenience.
Can these websites legally stay in business like this ?
Quote from: Johnny Fever on Feb 03, 2025, 07:18 PMOK, I was bored yesterday and thought I'd give myself a laugh. I signed up for Bumble. There is nothing special about my profile, as I used three of the pre-canned prompts only. The photos I happen to have on the phone.
A couple of interesting observations. Using experience gleaned from some of the men's channels on YouTube, I swiped left on any profile with pronouns. I also swiped left on almost every profile with non-adult children. As a chosen test preference, I only considered profiles marked with a "conservative" or none concerning political affiliation.
Here in the Northeast USA, the selection within a reasonable driving distance was slim pickin's. Many very opinionated profiles, some appearing more selective than their own looks, can pull off. Lots of filters and plenty of butter face, too. The age range was 46 through 64.
Within the first hour, I got two matches, which I didn't believe for a moment. I think it's them trying to get a guy to part with his money for premium features. A third match occurred during the last 24 hours. I've slowly crept my distance up to 35 miles and can run out of swipes without hitting any of the alleged people who swiped right on me. I'm not driving any further to meet anyone, especially with the habit of those using filters and what have you.
As I told my friend, it's simply an experiment, as I have no intention of paying a dime for this nonsense. I figure if I actually get as far as a match that isn't a catfish, I might have a target to play with mones, otherwise
I'm going to post something extremely controversial now.
Johnny, before you ever purchase another bottle of pheromones again, don't waste you money and time. Fix your aesthetic issues first. This is what I intend to do myself. You will probably find you get much better results in life and dating overall. Yes, I now believe wholely in blackpill science too. Beauty and attraction is pretty much only skin deep, nothing more even with the fairer sex too.
A couple of watch and observes from women I have discussed attraction with has fully led me to believe this. Deceit at its best. They say they are attracted to B C and D but choose A in the end, where A is the best looking specimen, whilst B C and D were values such as confidence sense of humour and conversation skills.
A few sprays from a bottle of this or that cannot give an unattractive man instant sex appeal. Nor can lipstick on a pig.
Or maybe I've just been listening to ABW5.0X and had my mind totally jolted and taken all the subliminal messaging onboard into mind.
Quote from: Mr Highvalue on Mar 26, 2025, 09:07 AMQuote from: Johnny Fever on Feb 03, 2025, 07:18 PMOK, I was bored yesterday and thought I'd give myself a laugh. I signed up for Bumble. There is nothing special about my profile, as I used three of the pre-canned prompts only. The photos I happen to have on the phone.
A couple of interesting observations. Using experience gleaned from some of the men's channels on YouTube, I swiped left on any profile with pronouns. I also swiped left on almost every profile with non-adult children. As a chosen test preference, I only considered profiles marked with a "conservative" or none concerning political affiliation.
Here in the Northeast USA, the selection within a reasonable driving distance was slim pickin's. Many very opinionated profiles, some appearing more selective than their own looks, can pull off. Lots of filters and plenty of butter face, too. The age range was 46 through 64.
Within the first hour, I got two matches, which I didn't believe for a moment. I think it's them trying to get a guy to part with his money for premium features. A third match occurred during the last 24 hours. I've slowly crept my distance up to 35 miles and can run out of swipes without hitting any of the alleged people who swiped right on me. I'm not driving any further to meet anyone, especially with the habit of those using filters and what have you.
As I told my friend, it's simply an experiment, as I have no intention of paying a dime for this nonsense. I figure if I actually get as far as a match that isn't a catfish, I might have a target to play with mones, otherwise
I'm going to post something extremely controversial now.
Johnny, before you ever purchase another bottle of pheromones again, don't waste you money and time. Fix your aesthetic issues first.
I hear what you're saying, but it would be extremely expensive to do so, let alone I couldn't afford to be away from work, nor the expense of something that radical.
I'm more of a George Costanza and not George Clooney. Not being blessed with good looks is a curse that's difficult to overcome. A small, tiny part of my looks I've experimented with by "doctoring" my photos in Photoshop. Let me say, the results are the same whether I alter the photographs or not. It's like cooking, if the base is terrible no amount of sauce or toppings can cure a bad dish.
Interestingly, enough, I got a hit on Hinge. The woman was almost 25 years younger than me. In our first two back-and-forth in-app texts, she questioned me about my height (I am shorter than what women consider "minimum height" of 5'9"). Had I been quicker on the uptake I would have questioned her about having an unverified profile. I made mention that I wasn't interested in anyone with non-adult children, which she shut down as her child was almost 8 years old. I don't know if I was being catfished or she was looking for somebody to support her, so I was actually glad it went nowhere.
Perhaps it's from watching tons of red pill content, but it seemed quite odd that a woman was considering someone 20+ years her senior, especially someone who does not remotely even look like a Chad.
... and to add insult to injury, I got a notification from Hinge my supposed "match" was terminated due to fraudulent activities. It seems when you're impaired on the attractiveness scale you'll likely get played. I guess if they're not verified I'll just ignore them ... not like I'm getting a crap ton of matches anyways!
When Hinge says they're the app designed to be deleted they aren't kidding! Just another cesspool of either stuck up women or scammers.
I want to point out one more thing.
Even on sugar dating sites where men pay for dates and sex with hot sugar babies, it's a woman's game.
Women are calling the shot's online, and men are being asked to pay to keep their memberships going, to chat with women and nothing more, or to pay for dinners, or to pay for sex.
I feel the only chance at meeting women is in real life where you don't have competition like you face online or in bars.
Getting naturally good at vibing with strangers is the only way. Sadly, most men who are not good with women are introverts to begin with. So this doesn't help.
Even knowing what to say doesn't help if you get nervous when it's time to seduce hot women.
You notice how easy it is to talk to ugly girls without getting nervous but when a woman is a 9 or 10 your mind comes up with excuses to approach or your blinded by your own lust and by then she's GONE.
I've got core/imprint on the way. I'm hoping this mone combo is not a dud and will aid in helping me converse at minimum with strangers throughout the day.
Quote from: Dsouza on Apr 22, 2025, 10:37 AMI want to point out one more thing.
Even on sugar dating sites where men pay for dates and sex with hot sugar babies, it's a woman's game.
Women are calling the shot's online, and men are being asked to pay to keep their memberships going, to chat with women and nothing more, or to pay for dinners, or to pay for sex.
I feel the only chance at meeting women is in real life where you don't have competition like you face online or in bars.
Getting naturally good at vibing with strangers is the only way. Sadly, most men who are not good with women are introverts to begin with. So this doesn't help.
Even knowing what to say doesn't help if you get nervous when it's time to seduce hot women.
You notice how easy it is to talk to ugly girls without getting nervous but when a woman is a 9 or 10 your mind comes up with excuses to approach or your blinded by your own lust and by then she's GONE.
I've got core/imprint on the way. I'm hoping this mone combo is not a dud and will aid in helping me converse at minimum with strangers throughout the day.
I think those dating sites are just escort service without giving you any physical action that's why I say those are scam sites. If you want to spent some money on escort do it directly without any shame if you are not getting any action. If sexual frustration buildup that can leads to take desperate action of paying for the scam sites.
Posted this in my journal but may be worth posting here too.
Some things I've learned on apps
1. A huge amount of women are there to sell you nudes either as part of their OF work or because they are too hesitant/not pretty enough to be an outright OF thot. You can usually tell by the fact that they are too familiar right off the bat, ending their messages with kisses or hearts or some bullshit to draw in the simps.
2. Women will pretend to be in your location and then tell you they are elsewhere, and they were in your location to visit someone. But they are happy to visit you, they just need some help with money for fuel. This seems to be a speciality scam of African looking women.
3. The palefaced Asian women with no one else in their pics and no recognisable landmarks are 100% bots.
4. If you have alot of sexual talk with women and the app equivalent of phone sex, they usually won't meet in person. Congrats, you made them horny, but they are cockteases and had no intention of meeting in person.
5. The dates that turned into sex were ones where I made my intentions clear from the outset, pushed to meet ASAP, and only escalated when we met in person.
6. Even the youngest most innocent looking women on the app have had the filthiest and most degenerate messages/sex with dozens of men before you, so nothing you will say will phase them. They have seen it all before.
7. All women on apps, even the ugliest and the oldest, all have ADHD from the hundreds of options. If you're beating around the bush, trying to impress her with EliTe VeRBaL W1zArdRy and Psychological Manipulation (TM) tricks you've picked up in your $1000 course on text game from some fucking waste of a guru, you will get nowhere. She will just ignore your loquacious ass. 😂
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Quote from: Alphonse on Apr 26, 2025, 10:32 AMPosted this in my journal but may be worth posting here too.
Some things I've learned on apps
1. A huge amount of women are there to sell you nudes either as part of their OF work or because they are too hesitant/not pretty enough to be an outright OF thot. You can usually tell by the fact that they are too familiar right off the bat, ending their messages with kisses or hearts or some bullshit to draw in the simps.
2. Women will pretend to be in your location and then tell you they are elsewhere, and they were in your location to visit someone. But they are happy to visit you, they just need some help with money for fuel. This seems to be a speciality scam of African looking women.
3. The palefaced Asian women with no one else in their pics and no recognisable landmarks are 100% bots.
4. If you have alot of sexual talk with women and the app equivalent of phone sex, they usually won't meet in person. Congrats, you made them horny, but they are cockteases and had no intention of meeting in person.
5. The dates that turned into sex were ones where I made my intentions clear from the outset, pushed to meet ASAP, and only escalated when we met in person.
6. Even the youngest most innocent looking women on the app have had the filthiest and most degenerate messages/sex with dozens of men before you, so nothing you will say will phase them. They have seen it all before.
7. All women on apps, even the ugliest and the oldest, all have ADHD from the hundreds of options. If you're beating around the bush, trying to impress her with EliTe VeRBaL W1zArdRy and Psychological Manipulation (TM) tricks you've picked up in your $1000 course on text game from some fucking waste of a guru, you will get nowhere. She will just ignore your loquacious ass. 😂
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Number 7 is an important one. The rule I use is that your messages to her should generally be the same length or shorter than what she's sending you.
I read a study somewhere that women grade physical attractiveness primarily by strength, body fat %. You can be a 3 and bump up to a 7 just by hitting the roids and TRT and deadlifts, thinning out face for jawline, strengthening neck and upper back. Life's to short to not do TRT lol.
I have been blessed with good looks but I was always underweight growing up like naturally really weak, so despite my good looks Id get nowhere. Wasn't until lifted and filled out that things dramatically improved.
Point I'm trying to make is if your jacked as fuck and confident you got a shot still even if you ugly. And you can control being jacked, especially with sarms and trt and the right diet.
Also lot of girls go for bald look. Shaved head can be very masculine.
Just throwing my two cents out there. I'm not doing well In dating these days , but can't let that get in our own heads otherwise we've lost the bigger battle already.
Stay frosty fellas.